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Mr Burns
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Why is it very few people can disagree without adding a little insult. If I'm a strange miserable fellow, then you're a werid prick... there good we got that out of the way.
Anyway back to the discussion, I said before give me 20th the day we got promoted, and I like 99% people would have been happy with it.
Build a squad capable of reaching the playoffs, and sit us firmly in the play offs, and then watch the season fade away without trying to do something about it, and I like others will get pissed off.
How long are you going to look to the past?
How long before people stop looking at where we came from and look at the now?
Just as well Norwich and Southampton didn't take the attitude that they were in the 3rd tier for a few seasons, so lets settle for second best.
Poyet by his own words, plays a system that the players do not fully understand. When you are looking for victoires for promotion at the business end of the season, My answer is very simple. Don't f***ing play the system then Gus
If we didn't have a squad to compete, no one would have the right to say a word. But when you build a squad that is almost taylor made for the old fashion 4-4-2 with two wingers to scare the shit out the other sides defence, why not play them. There's not one professional player that doesn't understand 4-4-2. Its as if its too common a system. Not complicated enough. I wonder how league leaders Reading will set up against us Tuesday.
Its as if half the board is living in the past, Gus Poyet is living in the future playing a system that he hasn't got the players for yet, and anyone who wants to live in the today is being miserable.
People are entitled to be miserable when they follow their team over the country, and as El Pres pointed out we had Buckley, Noone, CMS, Barnes, Vicente on at the end against Burnley. But we managed ONE whole shot on target. Does that not suggest Gus isn't getting it right at the moment.
All I am saying is, for a change set the team up to win from the start, instead of chasing every poxy game, because although we are better off than we have been for the past 20 years blah blah blah, we should already be cemented in the play offs.
Take that list of players above, add LuaLua and Vokes, and are you seriously telling with that lot in your matchdy squad, you can only mange one shot on target during the entire game, and lets me fair its not a one off this season is it, and carry on beleiving your system is correct.
Yes, it worked last season. It's worked at times this season.
But my whole point is Poyet refuses to have a Plan B, and when a team like Burnley can snuff you out, then please dont tell me Poyet is this fantastic new breed of manager, because he's not, and his system is not working.
If he changed things and played to the squads strengths, he may be this great new thing, but hes well short at the moment
But when you have the clubs three record signings in and out of the squad or sent out on loan, and you go through a run of 2 wins in 13 away from home, yet you still refuse to change your tatics from a system you yourself admit the players dont fully understand, then I'd say start to expect certain areas of the crowd to start doubting you.
That is all.
Anyway back to the discussion, I said before give me 20th the day we got promoted, and I like 99% people would have been happy with it.
Build a squad capable of reaching the playoffs, and sit us firmly in the play offs, and then watch the season fade away without trying to do something about it, and I like others will get pissed off.
How long are you going to look to the past?
How long before people stop looking at where we came from and look at the now?
Just as well Norwich and Southampton didn't take the attitude that they were in the 3rd tier for a few seasons, so lets settle for second best.
Poyet by his own words, plays a system that the players do not fully understand. When you are looking for victoires for promotion at the business end of the season, My answer is very simple. Don't f***ing play the system then Gus
If we didn't have a squad to compete, no one would have the right to say a word. But when you build a squad that is almost taylor made for the old fashion 4-4-2 with two wingers to scare the shit out the other sides defence, why not play them. There's not one professional player that doesn't understand 4-4-2. Its as if its too common a system. Not complicated enough. I wonder how league leaders Reading will set up against us Tuesday.
Its as if half the board is living in the past, Gus Poyet is living in the future playing a system that he hasn't got the players for yet, and anyone who wants to live in the today is being miserable.
People are entitled to be miserable when they follow their team over the country, and as El Pres pointed out we had Buckley, Noone, CMS, Barnes, Vicente on at the end against Burnley. But we managed ONE whole shot on target. Does that not suggest Gus isn't getting it right at the moment.
All I am saying is, for a change set the team up to win from the start, instead of chasing every poxy game, because although we are better off than we have been for the past 20 years blah blah blah, we should already be cemented in the play offs.
Take that list of players above, add LuaLua and Vokes, and are you seriously telling with that lot in your matchdy squad, you can only mange one shot on target during the entire game, and lets me fair its not a one off this season is it, and carry on beleiving your system is correct.
Yes, it worked last season. It's worked at times this season.
But my whole point is Poyet refuses to have a Plan B, and when a team like Burnley can snuff you out, then please dont tell me Poyet is this fantastic new breed of manager, because he's not, and his system is not working.
If he changed things and played to the squads strengths, he may be this great new thing, but hes well short at the moment
But when you have the clubs three record signings in and out of the squad or sent out on loan, and you go through a run of 2 wins in 13 away from home, yet you still refuse to change your tatics from a system you yourself admit the players dont fully understand, then I'd say start to expect certain areas of the crowd to start doubting you.
That is all.
Thunder Bolt
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Where's that quote from Brian Clough? Ah yes, here it is.
There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes.
There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes.
Gus had his tongue firmly in his cheek when he made the Dicker comment though.
As for a squad capable of easily being in the play-offs, I genuinely don't know where you get that from.
Sexy Pete, Casper, , Greer, El Abd, Noone, CMS, Barnes, Dicker, Navarro, Bridcutt, Sparrow, Hoskins, KLL, all were league one players last season.
Vicente is a different class but has only managed a few games, Buckley is great but only has one hamstring. Vokes is on his third loan spell in this division and has been no better than okay at each of them.
We have lost Bennett, Murray and Kish from last season, and not replaced them with much that is better.
As for a squad capable of easily being in the play-offs, I genuinely don't know where you get that from.
Sexy Pete, Casper, , Greer, El Abd, Noone, CMS, Barnes, Dicker, Navarro, Bridcutt, Sparrow, Hoskins, KLL, all were league one players last season.
Vicente is a different class but has only managed a few games, Buckley is great but only has one hamstring. Vokes is on his third loan spell in this division and has been no better than okay at each of them.
We have lost Bennett, Murray and Kish from last season, and not replaced them with much that is better.
Chicken Runner61
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I sort of get what Mr Burns is saying - We have had a great season but I do doubt the system Gus plays, and I think a few people on here overate our passing game as it only works when other teams let us play it and we tend to pass it backwards rather than forwards - I can't really recall us passing it in to the net and most of our best moves have been crosses across the park. Even lately a lot of our goals have been free kicks which if had not gone in would have meant dropped points. Take the Amex effect out and we would be no where be near the playoffs.
I still would take all that and say its been a great season save for the fact that Southampton have had a miles better one! Perhaps with a better team selection and an amended style we might be really knocking on the Prem door
I still would take all that and say its been a great season save for the fact that Southampton have had a miles better one! Perhaps with a better team selection and an amended style we might be really knocking on the Prem door
sir albion
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It's not that,it's just negative tactics,most of us are delighted with the season,but we should at least have a good crack at winning matches instead of letting the opposition dictate and dominate the games.
sir albion
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All of Southampton's players bar maybe 1 or 2 were league 1 players last season,that's irrelevant don't you think.
Thunder Bolt
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There's an awful lot of ifs, buts and maybes in your post. Consistency and spending power dictate the league position in the Championship.
If they had lost their two best players as we did, in the shape of Lambert and Lallana, and not signed Cork on £23,000 a week, I suspect they would not be top.
They had a far stronger squad than us last season too, but thanks to Pardew and Agent Wilkins we were streets ahead early in the season.
Thunder Bolt
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That is very disparaging towards a team like Burnley. Do you realise that the bookies had Burnley as favourites for the game following their recent form? As has been shown, any team can beat any team in this division.
Gus' system has worked for the main part of this season which is why we are sitting just outside of the playoffs with 5 games to go and still in with a chance. It's so easy to focus on the negatives and think that you know better. I'm sure Reading and Saints fans can do exactly the same and I know for a fact that Hammer's fans are doing exactly that. You do seem to love focusing on negatives as has been shown towards our leading goal scorer. Try cheering up for a change.
Were you at Burnley? We finished with CMS, Barnes, Vicente, Noone and Buckley as a front five.
Burnley never dictated the game, and you give neither their players nor Eddie Howe any credit.
sir albion
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Still league 1 players,we signed buckley,cms,vicente(if plays)now that's a lot better than Murray and Bennett in my opinion,also mattock,Reyes and vokes have all played championship or higher.
beardy gull
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sir albion
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Obviously I wasn't at that game,but am I right in thinking noone was put in at left back?the game was lost by the time gus changed things and like i,ve said many A time its our midfield that is the problem.
Slight difference I'd say. It was pretty clear that Southampton's squad last year was largely a Championship squad, they never really should have been in League One in the first place. Player for player, they were much better than us.
But we had a better team and a better style of play than them.
Most of the players listed in [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION]'s post had never played Championship football before.
Thunder Bolt
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As I said previously Burnley have been in better form than us.
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Thunder Bolt
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It didn't help that Bridcutt was suspended.
Perhaps if we had not had two midfield players suspended we might have done better.