Exclusive Swoop - Poyets master plan tatics uncovered

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Quite hard to read that, but I think you are telling me to f*** off?

Yer?

Mr B. You are a NSC pygmy in comparison. And if you can't be bothered to read it - your loss.

 

[Mr Burns]

Mr B. You are a NSC pygmy in comparison. And if you can't be bothered to read it - your loss.

Well, when you get called a tedious turd in the first sentence, you kind of just cant be bothered. Just a classic apologist, in fact if NSC was around in the 90s, probably wouldn't have had a bad word said about anyone at the club then. (Now watch some dickhead miss the point and acuse me of comparing now to the 90s) Might of helped if he used a few paragraphs as well.

Quite a few, in fact I'd say a lot agree with certain parts of the posts. We'd all had taken this position last May, I know if you offered me a guarnateed 20th position I have taken it, but that doesn't mean we are not underachiving. Anyone who regulary travels away and thinks what we are served up is acceptable, then more fool them. If anyone wants to clap our manager when he has one of his hissy fits and and leaves his losing side out on their own, then fine. I don't agree with it and will say so.

Its amazing when someone doesn't agree with you they just resort to abuse, or in Londons Blues case, starting another thread but completely making things up to try and make his argument stick, which refreshing got the hammering it deserved, to the extent he throw his toys out of the pram. Probably watching Gus too much

I'll stick to reading and responding to people who quote me, either with me or against me, but respond as an adult and not someone who can't disagree without having to resort to abuse in the first line of their response.

If that's okay with you Mrs Knight.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Well, when you get called a tedious turd in the first sentence, you kind of just cant be bothered. Just a classic apologist, in fact if NSC was around in the 90s, probably wouldn't have had a bad word said about anyone at the club then. (Now watch some dickhead miss the point and acuse me of comparing now to the 90s) Might of helped if he used a few paragraphs as well.

Quite a few, in fact I'd say a lot agree with certain parts of the posts. We'd all had taken this position last May, I know if you offered me a guarnateed 20th position I have taken it, but that doesn't mean we are not underachiving. Anyone who regulary travels away and thinks what we are served up is acceptable, then more fool them. If anyone wants to clap our manager when he has one of his hissy fits and and leaves his losing side out on their own, then fine. I don't agree with it and will say so.

Its amazing when someone doesn't agree with you they just resort to abuse, or in Londons Blues case, starting another thread but completely making things up to try and make his argument stick, which refreshing got the hammering it deserved, to the extent he throw his toys out of the pram. Probably watching Gus too much

I'll stick to reading and responding to people who quote me, either with me or against me, but respond as an adult and not someone who can't disagree without having to resort to abuse in the first line of their response.

If that's okay with you Mrs Knight.

Fine with me Mr B. Three pints of Harveys at lunchtime is not the best preparation for posting. For the record, although I often disagree with the tone of your postings - there is often content that rings true. And I respect your standing by your guns and posting your viewpoint.

But MB has nailed it this time (although no need for the insult).

 

[Mr Burns]

Fine with me Mr B. Three pints of Harveys at lunchtime is not the best preparation for posting. For the record, although I often disagree with the tone of your postings - there is often content that rings true. And I respect your standing by your guns and posting your viewpoint.

But MB has nailed it this time (although no need for the insult).

Too be fair though mate, I've admitted in the past that my Barnes thread was way to agressive, albeit I stand by what I said, I agree the tone was more than a little off.

This time I tried to plum for humour, but still mean what i said.

Gus Poyet could on the brink of something great. But IMO he is going to go one of two ways. Either go on to be a top top manager, or slide the scale and become a nobody in a few years, and if he cannot adjust to the strength of his players, be able or willing to chnage tatics in a positive way and continue to make expensive (for Brighton ) signings and not ultilise them as he should, and continue with his little hissy fits, which will soon wear very thin, then I'm afriad he's not going to the manager he's touting himself as.

The main thing that annoys me about NSC is not posters like you, but the ones who cannot add anything, except one line put downs, which have been heard time and time again. It's brilliant when you get someone like [MENTION=18487]Seagull27[/MENTION] who has a go back and puts his opposite views and challenges the OP, and I respect whoever he is, a billion times more than the likes of Meades_Ball, who is incapable of putting a view without an insult.

I read other threads, and no matter how good a put down or point someone has against the OP, they lose the the argument IMO second they resort to a slanging match.

I'm not being sensitive at all, I just dont give slightest shit, to any opinion made by someone who starts his reply by calling the OP a turd, twat or whatever, especially when there is more than a handful of long term posters, that argree with the OPs views!

 

[Seagull27]

Top reply mate. Nice to see someone who disagrees actually make a point, and not just resort to abuse.

I'll take you up on a couple of points. Still doesn't explain why 3 wingers? They are not that dissimilar and with Ashley barnes who can also play wide on the bench as striker covers, two max were needed, and serverly limited Gus' options.

Scouting a £3million player for us, we should have known everything about CMS. In my opinion, he's more than good enough for us, just not in the way Poyet wants to play him. And if Poyet knew his style he as playing as the start of the season, then I agree CMS has been Gus biggest balls up.

Noone has shown flashes of brilliance, but I doubt many would agrue he in front of LuaLua or Buckley, and we only ever play one of them as a winger, so why keep Noone? He had just signed LuaLua so would of expected him to hit form. Buckley injuries were known, and it wnas just a matter of time before they past, and the medical staff, and Gus would have known this. Even with that known, are we rich enough now to have a £2 winger as 4th choice for the one available slot. Personally I'd rather have the £2million and spend it on a top defender or cetral midfielder or keeper.

I suppose 3 wingers on a bench is a bit strange. With regards to CMS I think that things simply haven't gone to plan both in terms of how we'd use him and how our formation was going to work. I honestly believe that Buckley was brought in to play the Bennett role, and Poyet was disappointed with him over preseason not fitting that at all. But then he turned out to be a fantastic wide man and we had to adapt. I then think we went for Vicente to try and cover for Benno, but he was injured. I'm not really sure to be honest. But I do think CMS will still be here next season, and I think that he will be a much more effective player for us after the Summer transfer window.

My point about Noone was that at the time of the transfer offer, he was probably considered our best winger, with perhaps Buckley just coming into the frame after injury. If we'd known how well Buckley would then play and then how much more effective Lua Lua would become, perhaps we would have thought again about selling Noone, if indeed it was for £2M - but I recall it being just over £1M? Maybe i'm wrong.

Either way, to be honest I'm not that bothered because no manager in the world would be completely faultless and in my opinion Gus' positives far outweigh his negatives, and will continue to do so as he progresses as a manager. If we don't make the Premier League this year then I'll be initially disappointed, but also extremely happy with this season. if we didn't mount a significant challenge the following year, I think then we could start feeling aggrieved.

 

[Westdene Wonder]

CMS is an International yet our manager regularly leaves him on the bench,we have a number of very good wingers but rarely are two of them on the field at the same time resulting in poor service to our strikers.
We are a decent Championship side nothing more so lets enjoy what we have and forget dreams of the Premiership.

 

[Cars]

I dislike gus, I really think we are the luckiest team in this division. Scraping wins and draws.

Think it is ridiculous that razak was sent back because dicker is back. 5 games left and his going to choose playing someone who has been out for 6 months.

If you don't play regular football, you don't get into a national team. It's exactly the same. Why not bring dicker back next season after a good pre-season?

If gus wants a top job, he can f**k off and apply for them. Don't like his tactics at all, I'm not saying I could do any better but it's obvious that he doesn't play to out strengths.

Rant over

 

[The Terminator]

I dislike gus, I really think we are the luckiest team in this division. Scraping wins and draws.

Think it is ridiculous that razak was sent back because dicker is back. 5 games left and his going to choose playing someone who has been out for 6 months.

If you don't play regular football, you don't get into a national team. It's exactly the same. Why not bring dicker back next season after a good pre-season?

If gus wants a top job, he can f**k off and apply for them. Don't like his tactics at all, I'm not saying I could do any better but it's obvious that he doesn't play to out strengths.

Rant over

Whats you're opinion on last years success.

 

[Cars]

Whats you're opinion on last years success.

Different team who obviously played the way gus likes. As mentioned before he isn't playing our strengths, as he must of last season

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

In a daring swoop, sources close to the club have managed to get full details of Brighton's manager Gus Poyets master plan tatics for this season. In a dawn raid in fantasy land, the full plan was uncovered. Read full details below




0-0 Start of Game

Plan A - Cancel out opposition by plassing the ball amongst defenders. Try and tire out the other sides players then bring on a couple of wingers late on and snatch a point. If it works people will think your subs are a master stroke.
Plan B - See plan A
Plan C - See Plan B

If we go one nil down.

Plan A - Cancel out opposition by passing the ball amongst defenders. Try and tire out the other sides players then bring on a couple of wingers late on and snatch a point. If it works people will think your subs are a master stroke.

Plan B - See plan A
Plan C - See Plan B


If we take the lead -

Plan A - Cancel out opposition by passing the ball amongst defenders. Make like for like subs late on, to try and snatch a second.
Plan B - See plan A
Plan C - See Plan B

If all fails, throw a hissy fit and walk off in a huff. People will put it down to your South American genes, and forgive you. Some may even love you for it. Hell you may even get a standing ovation when your strange team selection has just seen your team dump out of he play off places. (yes people actually clapped when he stromed off with 8 minutes to go (including injury time) yesterday)

Always always blame the referee. Very important to remember this. Most others manager also employ this tatic, so it a free one, not often looked into any further by supporters. Will help out many times. But off course remember not to never ever say why. This could catch you out. Just use the excuse you don't want an FA fine. People will buy this over and over again.

Remember the club were in a shit state for the last ten years, so always look to the past if all else fails, and remind people where we where, and how lucky we are. This will apease 90% of followers for good long time.

And remember to keep linking yourself and refusing to rule yourself out of top jobs. Even though Chelsea and Tottenham would not come anywhere near you, or ever even think about offering you the managers job there, its always a good idea to keep yourself linked to them, and then people will beleive you to be a genius and never never dare question your tatics.

...and remember ALWAYS ALWAYS believe your own hype.

Oh yer

Obviously you wanted to struggle in League One and play shit football with a manager who had the sole aim of staying up and suing hump it and lump it football.
If you don't like our style then f*** off and give your seat up for someone who backs the manager and the team and our style of play

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I think the problem with Mr Burns is he is confused between style of play and tactics. Our style or strategy under Poyet is possession and passing. Now under that umbrella we can emply any number of tactics. We may for instance play a central striker supported by two advanced wide players. Often we switch to a lopsided 442 where the width on one flank is provided by someone in a traditional winger postion and on the other by the fullback overlapping the midfielder. We vary how far up the pitch we defend, and whether someone has to mark a particular player,or we double up on that player.
The point is there are often several tactical adjustments during the match but the style never changes and some people are incapable of understanding what is happening. Not all tactical options mean reverting to thumping it long into the chanels.

 

[Mr Burns]

Obviously you wanted to struggle in League One and play shit football with a manager who had the sole aim of staying up and suing hump it and lump it football.
If you don't like our style then f*** off and give your seat up for someone who backs the manager and the team and our style of play

Rule 3 "Remember the club were in a shit state for the last ten years, so always look to the past if all else fails, and remind people where we where, and how lucky we are. This will apease 90% of followers for good long time."

 

[swervy_123]

Suddenly conjur up? FFS we pretty much played that way for the entire of last season and the start of this, with the lopsided winger and Barnes dropping in. Vicente operating on the left and CMS dropping in yesterday. It's nothing new to our players and quite possibly connected to the return of Dicker to the side.

I accept it would be rediculous if people couldn't question those in power, but when you say "why", and this isnt just you grummit but countless others, don't you ever think the reason you say "why" is because you're not smart enough to understand? There's a reason why a football manager is paid good money and entrusted in that position. It's generally because they know what they are doing! Just because fans don't, doesn't mean its wrong!

you really are a turkey

 

[Mr Burns]

I think the problem with Mr Burns is he is confused between style of play and tactics. Our style or strategy under Poyet is possession and passing. Now under that umbrella we can emply any number of tactics. We may for instance play a central striker supported by two advanced wide players. Often we switch to a lopsided 442 where the width on one flank is provided by someone in a traditional winger postion and on the other by the fullback overlapping the midfielder. We vary how far up the pitch we defend, and whether someone has to mark a particular player,or we double up on that player.
The point is there are often several tactical adjustments during the match but the style never changes and some people are incapable of understanding what is happening. Not all tactical options mean reverting to thumping it long into the chanels.

People are very capable of understanding it. The problem is the players we have are not capable of playing it.

GUS QUOTE "Gary Dicker is the only players who fully understands the system" MR BURNS ANSWER "Don't f***ing keep playing it then Gus" Play something they can all understand.

2 defeats in 17 matches, paints a very different picture to 2 wins in 13 away from home. The style is boring. The tactics are no longer working. We have three, one million pound wingers on the bench, none on the pitch, and we can only create ONE whole shot on target, against one of the poorest footballing side in the division whilst they are in the middle of an injury crisis. If it was a one off, fine, buts its not is it.

When things stop working in football, you tend to switch to a different style. Gus' pride won't allow that. All the time we have our best players on the bench,and we lose and draw winnable games, and people pay their money to follow their club around the country, people are entitled to discuss it on here.

 

[Cars]

People are very capable of understanding it. The problem is the players we have are not capable of playing it.

GUS QUOTE "Gary Dicker is the only players who fully understands the system" MR BURNS ANSWER "Don't f***ing keep playing it then Gus" Play something they can all understand.

2 defeats in 17 matches, paints a very different picture to 2 wins in 13 away from home. The style is boring. The tactics are no longer working. We have three, one million pound wingers on the bench, none on the pitch, and we can only create ONE whole shot on target, against one of the poorest footballing side in the division whilst they are in the middle of an injury crisis. If it was a one off, fine, buts its not is it.

When things stop working in football, you tend to switch to a different style. Gus' pride won't allow that. All the time we have our best players on the bench,and we lose and draw winnable games, and people pay their money to follow their club around the country, people are entitled to discuss it on here.

Good post!

 

[El Presidente]

People are very capable of understanding it. The problem is the players we have are not capable of playing it.

GUS QUOTE "Gary Dicker is the only players who fully understands the system" MR BURNS ANSWER "Don't f***ing keep playing it then Gus" Play something they can all understand.

2 defeats in 17 matches, paints a very different picture to 2 wins in 13 away from home. The style is boring. The tactics are no longer working. We have three, one million pound wingers on the bench, none on the pitch, and we can only create ONE whole shot on target, against one of the poorest footballing side in the division whilst they are in the middle of an injury crisis. If it was a one off, fine, buts its not is it.

When things stop working in football, you tend to switch to a different style. Gus' pride won't allow that. All the time we have our best players on the bench,and we lose and draw winnable games, and people pay their money to follow their club around the country, people are entitled to discuss it on here.

We did change our style on Friday though, with two strikers instead of one, the midfield aiming to keep possession and this allowed the full backs to overlap regularly.

When this failed to create chances Gus brought on Buckley and Noone as out and out wingers.

To say a team that finished with CMS, Barnes, Vicente, Noone and Buckley is boring seems a bit odd.

The tactics did not work because the players were not good enough at this level on the day .

 

[Mr Burns]

We did change our style on Friday though, with two strikers instead of one, the midfield aiming to keep possession and this allowed the full backs to overlap regularly.

When this failed to create chances Gus brought on Buckley and Noone as out and out wingers.

To say a team that finished with CMS, Barnes, Vicente, Noone and Buckley is boring seems a bit odd.

The tactics did not work because the players were not good enough at this level on the day .

But to fair El Pres, the players seem to be not good enough more often that not lately. We often finish games with a host of attacking players on the pitch, because we always seem to be chasing them.

We will never know, but the reakon the main reason Gus walked off early at Burnley, is because Eddie Howe had his number.. again, and Gus' ego couldn't handle it. Nothing to do with the ref, or supporters, he's just a bad loser. If he stormed off because of a shit ref, or opposing fans getting on his back, he'd never be in the dugout ( that was a bit random)

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It's just a real shame that London Blue's thread seems to have vanished along with his flounced account. That thread told a few home truths.

 

[El Presidente]

But to fair El Pres, the players seem to be not good enough more often that not lately. We often finish games with a host of attacking players on the pitch, because we always seem to be chasing them.

We will never know, but the reakon the main reason Gus walked off early at Burnley, is because Eddie Howe had his number.. again, and Gus' ego couldn't handle it. Nothing to do with the ref, or supporters, he's just a bad loser. If he stormed off because of a shit ref, or opposing fans getting on his back, he'd never be in the dugout ( that was a bit random)

I don't think Eddie Howe does have his number. Last season at home we dropped points due to a poor penalty decision, at their place we lost because Murray was being awkward at the time and was dropped. This season we had 9 men at the Amex, and last Friday we both agree that both teams were poor, and neither deserve to win.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

People are very capable of understanding it. The problem is the players we have are not capable of playing it.

GUS QUOTE "Gary Dicker is the only players who fully understands the system" MR BURNS ANSWER "Don't f***ing keep playing it then Gus" Play something they can all understand.

2 defeats in 17 matches, paints a very different picture to 2 wins in 13 away from home. The style is boring. The tactics are no longer working. We have three, one million pound wingers on the bench, none on the pitch, and we can only create ONE whole shot on target, against one of the poorest footballing side in the division whilst they are in the middle of an injury crisis. If it was a one off, fine, buts its not is it.

When things stop working in football, you tend to switch to a different style. Gus' pride won't allow that. All the time we have our best players on the bench,and we lose and draw winnable games, and people pay their money to follow their club around the country, people are entitled to discuss it on here.

You obviously dont' understand though. And to say it's not working is silly. We are a team that was promoted last season and we're competeting for the play-offs at the end of the season. We have not been worried about relegation for some time, in fact we've been in the top half of the table for most of the season. And yet for you this is failure. You're a strange miserable fellow.