Exclusive Swoop - Poyets master plan tatics uncovered

[Mr Burns]

In full agreement with this

Thats the problem with NSC. People come on and rubbish your threads and attack you for being negative, but over the course of 7 pages, those same people accusing me of attention seeking, conveniently dont answer any of the point, which I guess fall under rule 3 Remember the club were in a shit state for the last ten years, so always look to the past if all else fails, and remind people where we where, and how lucky we are. This will apease 90% of followers for good long time.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Thats the problem with NSC. People come on and rubbish your threads and attack you for being negative, but over the course of 7 pages, those same people accusing me of attention seeking, conveniently dont answer any of the point, which I guess fall under rule 3 Remember the club were in a shit state for the last ten years, so always look to the past if all else fails, and remind people where we where, and how lucky we are. This will apease 90% of followers for good long time.

Why do you think any of us who find you a tedious turd have the answers? You don't have the answers either, or if you do i would never waste my eyes on them for long enough for the tears they wish to inspire to be shed. All you have is questions and grumbles and negative commentary which sort of brings quite a few of us, i would imagine, down. If it's your job to do that, then congratulations, you win. You're another online prattler with nothing nice to say.
To counter any of your comments, though, of which i have read very few, i would say that only Vicente, who has been out for most of this season, would fit into a Championship team of the year. That means, then, that the squad we have is not overly rich with super-skilled individuals, and, like last year, needs a manager to link them all together and produce the goods more than not. That, i think, goes against your idea of naturally doing better than we have with the players we have. Other squads are finer and bigger and more experienced in this high-tempo and physical division than ours. Maybe you'd describe me as blinded by hope and deluded in the fantasies weaved by our eight-legged and sinister leader, but so what. I would rather be lost in the half-cocked dreams of those with the power to persuade than be endlessly depressed by the blathering insomniacs who haven't dreamt for a decade or more and feel the need to talk until all those around them drop, and share their misery.
I am over the moon with this season and it has far surpassed all i could have imagined it to be. Thank the lord for that and for this season to be drilled into my memory until i fall for good.

 

[Mr Burns]

Why do you think any of us who find you a tedious turd have the answers? You don't have the answers either, or if you do i would never waste my eyes on them for long enough for the tears they wish to inspire to be shed. All you have is questions and grumbles and negative commentary which sort of brings quite a few of us, i would imagine, down. If it's your job to do that, then congratulations, you win. You're another online prattler with nothing nice to say.
To counter any of your comments, though, of which i have read very few, i would say that only Vicente, who has been out for most of this season, would fit into a Championship team of the year. That means, then, that the squad we have is not overly rich with super-skilled individuals, and, like last year, needs a manager to link them all together and produce the goods more than not. That, i think, goes against your idea of naturally doing better than we have with the players we have. Other squads are finer and bigger and more experienced in this high-tempo and physical division than ours. Maybe you'd describe me as blinded by hope and deluded in the fantasies weaved by our eight-legged and sinister leader, but so what. I would rather be lost in the half-cocked dreams of those with the power to persuade than be endlessly depressed by the blathering insomniacs who haven't dreamt for a decade or more and feel the need to talk until all those around them drop, and share their misery.
I am over the moon with this season and it has far surpassed all i could have imagined it to be. Thank the lord for that and for this season to be drilled into my memory until i fall for good.

Quite hard to read that, but I think you are telling me to f*** off?

Yer?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Thats the problem with NSC. People come on and rubbish your threads and attack you for being negative, but over the course of 7 pages, those same people accusing me of attention seeking, conveniently dont answer any of the point, which I guess fall under rule 3 Remember the club were in a shit state for the last ten years, so always look to the past if all else fails, and remind people where we where, and how lucky we are. This will apease 90% of followers for good long time.

I don't actually agree with a lot of what Gus does,or the way he goes about things,but i am still very very very much in the Gus camp-it's right to question.

 

[Mellotron]

What a ridiculously shit thread.

Genuinely one of the worst threads in NSC history - that's against some tough competition.

Full of all the moaning tossers who ONLY turn up when we lose. Some people are unbelievably deluded.

This season has been AMAZING. We are achieving far FAR beyond reasonable expectations.

 

[Mellotron]

Why do you think any of us who find you a tedious turd have the answers? You don't have the answers either, or if you do i would never waste my eyes on them for long enough for the tears they wish to inspire to be shed. All you have is questions and grumbles and negative commentary which sort of brings quite a few of us, i would imagine, down. If it's your job to do that, then congratulations, you win. You're another online prattler with nothing nice to say.
To counter any of your comments, though, of which i have read very few, i would say that only Vicente, who has been out for most of this season, would fit into a Championship team of the year. That means, then, that the squad we have is not overly rich with super-skilled individuals, and, like last year, needs a manager to link them all together and produce the goods more than not. That, i think, goes against your idea of naturally doing better than we have with the players we have. Other squads are finer and bigger and more experienced in this high-tempo and physical division than ours. Maybe you'd describe me as blinded by hope and deluded in the fantasies weaved by our eight-legged and sinister leader, but so what. I would rather be lost in the half-cocked dreams of those with the power to persuade than be endlessly depressed by the blathering insomniacs who haven't dreamt for a decade or more and feel the need to talk until all those around them drop, and share their misery.
I am over the moon with this season and it has far surpassed all i could have imagined it to be. Thank the lord for that and for this season to be drilled into my memory until i fall for good.

Spot spot spot spot spot ON. 10 times more intelligent and reasoned than the OP, but Meade's never fails to deliver.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Why do you think any of us who find you a tedious turd have the answers? You don't have the answers either, or if you do i would never waste my eyes on them for long enough for the tears they wish to inspire to be shed. All you have is questions and grumbles and negative commentary which sort of brings quite a few of us, i would imagine, down. If it's your job to do that, then congratulations, you win. You're another online prattler with nothing nice to say.
To counter any of your comments, though, of which i have read very few, i would say that only Vicente, who has been out for most of this season, would fit into a Championship team of the year. That means, then, that the squad we have is not overly rich with super-skilled individuals, and, like last year, needs a manager to link them all together and produce the goods more than not. That, i think, goes against your idea of naturally doing better than we have with the players we have. Other squads are finer and bigger and more experienced in this high-tempo and physical division than ours. Maybe you'd describe me as blinded by hope and deluded in the fantasies weaved by our eight-legged and sinister leader, but so what. I would rather be lost in the half-cocked dreams of those with the power to persuade than be endlessly depressed by the blathering insomniacs who haven't dreamt for a decade or more and feel the need to talk until all those around them drop, and share their misery.
I am over the moon with this season and it has far surpassed all i could have imagined it to be. Thank the lord for that and for this season to be drilled into my memory until i fall for good.

Absolutely WANKERED the retards in this thread.

That post deserves Gold status.

 

[Seagull27]

I'll give it a go.

I'd love to know why you start with three out and out wingers on the bench.

Each of those wingers offers something different and no matter how much preparation you can do for a match, you never know what is going to happen. Therefore, only during the match can you know which winger is more likely to make a difference, depending on how your team are palying, how the opposition are etc.

Why not start with two wingers? I imagine Gus wanted to try the formation that won us the league last year, now that Dicker is back and Vicente is playing. I have a hunch that that is what he had intended originally, with Buckley to replace Bennett. It turns out Buckley couldn't play that role, then we got Vicente. But he was never fit, so we never played that system and went for the 4-5-1/4-3-3 we have been playing most of the season.

No one as answered another key point, when Gus' himself says Gary Dicker understands the system better than anyone, and is the only one to truely understand what Gus wants. Surely that means he is sending people out on to the pitch without a full understanding of what they are meant to do?

I think you've probably misinterpreted that. I'm sure most of the players understand the system very well, having had numerous tactical sessions in training. but perhaps Gus is saying that Dicker understands it best and fits into it best and is integral to how the system works. The other players will know what to do, just not quite so naturally as Dicker - YET. Gus is trying to build a squad that fits this system - hence what he has done with the youth and development squads - and that does not happen over the course of one season. If that means we do not go up this year, but in years to come we have a strong side that all know the system in and out then I believe in 5 years time we will be in a much stronger position than we would be if we just did the best we could with what we have. There are players in the side that will learn Gus' system and become better because of it - see Barnes, Navarro, El-Abd - but that takes time.

It's a great system if you have the players to play it.

Eventually we will have the players to play it. Give Gus a few years and our whole squad, youth and development included, will be experts in the system. This was never a short term plan, but one that will take a few years and ultimately benefit us for many years.

If CMS doesn't fit into Gus style of play, and he clearly doesn't, then why buy him?

No amount of scouting can still fully tell you everything you need to know about a player. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out quite as we'd hoped, maybe Gus thought he could fit into the style of play better than he has. This is, in my opinion, one of the few errors Gus has made - and not one of us would have predicted it either. And CMS has hardly been a complete flop anyway, he's still a decent team member.

If you are going to turn down close on £2 million for Noone, and then give him an imporved contract, why leave the bloke on the sidelines for the second half of the season. Are we rich enough to have a £2m 4th choice winger?

At the time, Noone had been our best winger and one of our best players, unless you're including Barnes, but I see him in a slightly different role. Buckley had only just come back from injury and up to that point Lua Lua had been pretty gash. Selling one of our most important players at the time would have caused uproar.

To look at it another way, are you saying that we should have played Noone just because we turned down a large offer for him? Gus couldn't have predicted, after turning down the offer, that Buckley would be amazing (and fit), Vicente would get fit and Lua Lua would regain his form. But those things happened and Gus, quite rightly, played those players ahead of Noone.

As far as I'm concerned, money shouldn't have any bearing on whether you play a player or not. The money side of things should be Bloom's problem, but Gus should take no notice of how much a player earns or how much we paid for him - whichever player is best for the situation should play. And Gus does this. For every player that has been a waste of money, Gus has signed more players who have turned out to be a bargain. So I don't think we can particularly complain on that front.

 

[El Presidente]

THIS IS ENGLAND - not some Latin country.

Thanks for that, I had a weird dream last night and when I woke up I thought I was in Rio de Janiero, then I saw your post and realised I was back in Blighty.

Cheers Bro x

 

[beardy gull]

Quite hard to read that, but I think you are telling me to f*** off?

Yer?

Not as hard as it is to read your drivel. He's not telling you to f*** off, he's telling you he disagrees with you. Is that allowed?
I'm telling you to f*** off.
f***. Off.
OK?

 

[pork pie]

So you didn't enjoy last season, and this season has been a complete borefest has it ?

Last season was ok. The opposition was not up to much, until they sussed us out at the end. Yes, most of this season has been a complete bore (well away from home at least).

 

[pork pie]

Genuinely one of the worst threads in NSC history - that's against some tough competition.

Full of all the moaning tossers who ONLY turn up when we lose. Some people are unbelievably deluded.

This season has been AMAZING. We are achieving far FAR beyond reasonable expectations.

The league position is amazing , the fact will still have a chance of the playoffs is also amazing. The style of play away from Falmer is dire. Boring, foreign football. Sorry, but if I spend my hard-earned going to watch a match, I do so to enjoy myself and be entertained, and not gloat at the Table afterwards (although that is obviously nice when we are doing well).

People have every right to moan. I have watched The Albion under umpteen managers, and no doubt will do so under others when Gus has moved on in a couple of years. I do not enjoy the Gus style of play, I find it tedious, and I have every right to say what I think. As I pointed out on another thread, Mike Bailey got us to our highest league position ever, but the football was dire, and fans refused to go in the numbers expected. If Gus keeps up this style of play, people will soon get bored with it. They already are away from home - compared to our League position, the away support is starting to decline.

 

[sir albion]

This is the best Brighton team for at least 20 years! Wingers can play (or should) be able to play left wing, right wing, in the hole behind the striker. You don't HAVE to play them on the wings. Also, how will we evolve into a better footballing team without slowly changing the way we play?

Are you suggesting buying players who can "Play the Gus way" and not playing them until we have a whole squad of them!? That is madness. You evolve slowly, players improve and understand more, others come in. We may play badly for a bit and look like world beaters the next, but as long as we improve slowly over the course of the season we are doing well.

To be fair having a new stadium and money to spend it wouldn't take much to be our best season in 20 years.This style of football is so boring most of the time and would not be tolerated in the premiership,it's not bloody Swansea style as its miles away from that,it's old school Italian football which is sit back and nick a goal.Gus like many have said can't utilise our players and our team strengths to the way he should,you can't spend million on wingers and strikers and not play them,these players will not be happy to sit on the bench most games.

Gus needs a Plan A and Plan B and needs to work out which is his best 11,even an experienced Vicente must wonder why we have no players attacking.

 

[Mr Burns]

Not as hard as it is to read your drivel. He's not telling you to f*** off, he's telling you he disagrees with you. Is that allowed?
I'm telling you to f*** off.
f***. Off.
OK?

Thank you for sharing you insightful view.

 

[Mr Burns]

The league position is amazing , the fact will still have a chance of the playoffs is also amazing. The style of play away from Falmer is dire. Boring, foreign football. Sorry, but if I spend my hard-earned going to watch a match, I do so to enjoy myself and be entertained, and not gloat at the Table afterwards (although that is obviously nice when we are doing well).

People have every right to moan. I have watched The Albion under umpteen managers, and no doubt will do so under others when Gus has moved on in a couple of years. I do not enjoy the Gus style of play, I find it tedious, and I have every right to say what I think. As I pointed out on another thread, Mike Bailey got us to our highest league position ever, but the football was dire, and fans refused to go in the numbers expected. If Gus keeps up this style of play, people will soon get bored with it. They already are away from home - compared to our League position, the away support is starting to decline.

Can't argue with that!

 

[Mr Burns]

To be fair having a new stadium and money to spend it wouldn't take much to be our best season in 20 years.This style of football is so boring most of the time and would not be tolerated in the premiership,it's not bloody Swansea style as its miles away from that,it's old school Italian football which is sit back and nick a goal.Gus like many have said can't utilise our players and our team strengths to the way he should,you can't spend million on wingers and strikers and not play them,these players will not be happy to sit on the bench most games.

Gus needs a Plan A and Plan B and needs to work out which is his best 11,even an experienced Vicente must wonder why we have no players attacking.

BLASPHEMY!!! Top reply

 

[pork pie]

To be fair having a new stadium and money to spend it wouldn't take much to be our best season in 20 years.This style of football is so boring most of the time and would not be tolerated in the premiership,it's not bloody Swansea style as its miles away from that,it's old school Italian football which is sit back and nick a goal.Gus like many have said can't utilise our players and our team strengths to the way he should,you can't spend million on wingers and strikers and not play them,these players will not be happy to sit on the bench most games.

Gus needs a Plan A and Plan B and needs to work out which is his best 11,even an experienced Vicente must wonder why we have no players attacking.

This, this, this. Exactly how I see things. Latin shite.

 

[Mr Burns]

I'll give it a go.
Each of those wingers offers something different and no matter how much preparation you can do for a match, you never know what is going to happen. Therefore, only during the match can you know which winger is more likely to make a difference, depending on how your team are palying, how the opposition are etc.

Why not start with two wingers? I imagine Gus wanted to try the formation that won us the league last year, now that Dicker is back and Vicente is playing. I have a hunch that that is what he had intended originally, with Buckley to replace Bennett. It turns out Buckley couldn't play that role, then we got Vicente. But he was never fit, so we never played that system and went for the 4-5-1/4-3-3 we have been playing most of the season.

I think you've probably misinterpreted that. I'm sure most of the players understand the system very well, having had numerous tactical sessions in training. but perhaps Gus is saying that Dicker understands it best and fits into it best and is integral to how the system works. The other players will know what to do, just not quite so naturally as Dicker - YET. Gus is trying to build a squad that fits this system - hence what he has done with the youth and development squads - and that does not happen over the course of one season. If that means we do not go up this year, but in years to come we have a strong side that all know the system in and out then I believe in 5 years time we will be in a much stronger position than we would be if we just did the best we could with what we have. There are players in the side that will learn Gus' system and become better because of it - see Barnes, Navarro, El-Abd - but that takes time.



Eventually we will have the players to play it. Give Gus a few years and our whole squad, youth and development included, will be experts in the system. This was never a short term plan, but one that will take a few years and ultimately benefit us for many years.



No amount of scouting can still fully tell you everything you need to know about a player. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out quite as we'd hoped, maybe Gus thought he could fit into the style of play better than he has. This is, in my opinion, one of the few errors Gus has made - and not one of us would have predicted it either. And CMS has hardly been a complete flop anyway, he's still a decent team member.



At the time, Noone had been our best winger and one of our best players, unless you're including Barnes, but I see him in a slightly different role. Buckley had only just come back from injury and up to that point Lua Lua had been pretty gash. Selling one of our most important players at the time would have caused uproar.

To look at it another way, are you saying that we should have played Noone just because we turned down a large offer for him? Gus couldn't have predicted, after turning down the offer, that Buckley would be amazing (and fit), Vicente would get fit and Lua Lua would regain his form. But those things happened and Gus, quite rightly, played those players ahead of Noone.

As far as I'm concerned, money shouldn't have any bearing on whether you play a player or not. The money side of things should be Bloom's problem, but Gus should take no notice of how much a player earns or how much we paid for him - whichever player is best for the situation should play. And Gus does this. For every player that has been a waste of money, Gus has signed more players who have turned out to be a bargain. So I don't think we can particularly complain on that front.

Top reply mate. Nice to see someone who disagrees actually make a point, and not just resort to abuse.

I'll take you up on a couple of points. Still doesn't explain why 3 wingers? They are not that dissimilar and with Ashley barnes who can also play wide on the bench as striker covers, two max were needed, and serverly limited Gus' options.

Scouting a £3million player for us, we should have known everything about CMS. In my opinion, he's more than good enough for us, just not in the way Poyet wants to play him. And if Poyet knew his style he as playing as the start of the season, then I agree CMS has been Gus biggest balls up.

Noone has shown flashes of brilliance, but I doubt many would agrue he in front of LuaLua or Buckley, and we only ever play one of them as a winger, so why keep Noone? He had just signed LuaLua so would of expected him to hit form. Buckley injuries were known, and it wnas just a matter of time before they past, and the medical staff, and Gus would have known this. Even with that known, are we rich enough now to have a £2 winger as 4th choice for the one available slot. Personally I'd rather have the £2million and spend it on a top defender or cetral midfielder or keeper.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why do you think any of us who find you a tedious turd have the answers? You don't have the answers either, or if you do i would never waste my eyes on them for long enough for the tears they wish to inspire to be shed. All you have is questions and grumbles and negative commentary which sort of brings quite a few of us, i would imagine, down. If it's your job to do that, then congratulations, you win. You're another online prattler with nothing nice to say.
To counter any of your comments, though, of which i have read very few, i would say that only Vicente, who has been out for most of this season, would fit into a Championship team of the year. That means, then, that the squad we have is not overly rich with super-skilled individuals, and, like last year, needs a manager to link them all together and produce the goods more than not. That, i think, goes against your idea of naturally doing better than we have with the players we have. Other squads are finer and bigger and more experienced in this high-tempo and physical division than ours. Maybe you'd describe me as blinded by hope and deluded in the fantasies weaved by our eight-legged and sinister leader, but so what. I would rather be lost in the half-cocked dreams of those with the power to persuade than be endlessly depressed by the blathering insomniacs who haven't dreamt for a decade or more and feel the need to talk until all those around them drop, and share their misery.
I am over the moon with this season and it has far surpassed all i could have imagined it to be. Thank the lord for that and for this season to be drilled into my memory until i fall for good.

This is the reason you are one of my favourite posters on Nsc. Well said.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Why do you think any of us who find you a tedious turd have the answers? You don't have the answers either, or if you do i would never waste my eyes on them for long enough for the tears they wish to inspire to be shed. All you have is questions and grumbles and negative commentary which sort of brings quite a few of us, i would imagine, down. If it's your job to do that, then congratulations, you win. You're another online prattler with nothing nice to say.
To counter any of your comments, though, of which i have read very few, i would say that only Vicente, who has been out for most of this season, would fit into a Championship team of the year. That means, then, that the squad we have is not overly rich with super-skilled individuals, and, like last year, needs a manager to link them all together and produce the goods more than not. That, i think, goes against your idea of naturally doing better than we have with the players we have. Other squads are finer and bigger and more experienced in this high-tempo and physical division than ours. Maybe you'd describe me as blinded by hope and deluded in the fantasies weaved by our eight-legged and sinister leader, but so what. I would rather be lost in the half-cocked dreams of those with the power to persuade than be endlessly depressed by the blathering insomniacs who haven't dreamt for a decade or more and feel the need to talk until all those around them drop, and share their misery.
I am over the moon with this season and it has far surpassed all i could have imagined it to be. Thank the lord for that and for this season to be drilled into my memory until i fall for good.

MB. You are the man. Saved me the embarrassment of a far less eloquent response offering the same sentiment.