Exclusive Swoop - Poyets master plan tatics uncovered

[Albumen]

So if I discuss something, its not an opinion its a moan.

If you have nothing to say, expect moan about people having an moan, it's an opinion?

Can't have it both ways mate

I'm observing the forum, it's an opinion about people and society. People on here were saying how they couldn't understand how some people could moan at a a time like this. You started a thread about how poor Gus is, surely that's a complaint, a moan? If I was to say you shouldn't do it that would be a moan.

Everyone brain is different, yours seems to be more negative than mine (again I'm not saying that's a bad thing).

 

[Mr Burns]

I'm observing the forum, it's an opinion about people and society. People on here were saying how they couldn't understand how some people could moan at a a time like this. You started a thread about how poor Gus is, surely that's a complaint, a moan? If I was to say you shouldn't do it that would be a moan.

Everyone brain is different, yours seems to be more negative than mine (again I'm not saying that's a bad thing).

No. I open a thread to discuss that our manager doesn't have a plan B.

Its a discussion. Yes, its negative, but its a discussion.

Besides if you want to call it a moan, do so, but if you feel the need to go and see every positve comment on here, and call it praise then do so, just as you want to pick on the negatives and call them moans.

The rest of us call it a discussion, and none of your posts will have brought that discussion on in the slightest way.

 

[Mr Burns]

Quality means technical ability and a footballing brain to think a couple of moves ahead to me. That costs money.

Adding the second sentance doesn't really help your argrement does it.

I remember doing this a couple of times before Mr Thunder Bolt. You'll post stuff try and argue someone down, but when they say something you dont like to answer, or can't,you skip over it. You're one of these posters, that is the internet was around, would not have had a bad word as against those who cannot be named in the 90s, just because they are Brighton. Not everything will lap up everything that comes out of the club beleive it or not, and your extended answer, IMO just firms up what I have been saying.

You compeltey ignore my replies to you above, then go on to post something that would seemingly back up what I have been saying all along.


Whether techincal ability costs money or not, thats not the issue we are discussing. The issue is why play a system the players are not good/techincally good enough for. GUS SAYS IT HIMSELF AFTER BURNLEY THAT THEY DID NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND IT(or if they did not capable of playing, dont see how he could mean anything else).

I'm not making it up, its from the same interview/page you quoted him from. If you have seagulls player you can listen to him say it as well.

So do you not agree, if you haven't got with the techincal ability (because they cost money as you yourself said) dont ask them to play the system.

Burnley wasn't a one off. If you was there you would see what I mean. If your not there, check the stats (not the Beebs crap) but real stats. Gus himself in same interview said we had 2 shots on target. Most others counted one.

Doesn't take Einstien to work out somethings not right.

 

[Albumen]

No. I open a thread to discuss that our manager doesn't have a plan B.

Its a discussion. Yes, its negative, but its a discussion.

Besides if you want to call it a moan, do so, but if you feel the need to go and see every positve comment on here, and call it praise then do so, just as you want to pick on the negatives and call them moans.

The rest of us call it a discussion, and none of your posts will have brought that discussion on in the slightest way.

Pick on the negatives? You shouldn't start a thread if you don't want people remarking upon it. I've not read the 12 pages since.

OK, here's a discussion point (again, I've not read all the other posts). I do think he has a plan B but the players he's bought don't work that way, and to put unrelenting pressure onto the defences using the players he has is probably the best way of doing it. There are different ways of playing a similar way, and plan B to Z is tweaking the same way we play, and not (for example) hoof it into the box playing an unnatural game. He tweaks and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

He can't win all the time using the same tactics (look at Spurs who are currently costing me £20), but we're currently overachieving in 8th doing so.

 

[Mr Burns]

Pick on the negatives? You shouldn't start a thread if you don't want people remarking upon it. I've not read the 12 pages since.

OK, here's a discussion point (again, I've not read all the other posts). I do think he has a plan B but the players he's bought don't work that way, and to put unrelenting pressure onto the defences using the players he has is probably the best way of doing it. There are different ways of playing a similar way, and plan B to Z is tweaking the same way we play, and not (for example) hoof it into the box playing an unnatural game. He tweaks and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

He can't win all the time using the same tactics (look at Spurs who are currently costing me £20), but we're currently overachieving in 8th doing so.

You really are going off on one aren't you.

Off course you can pick on the negatives of the thread. Thats why its called DISCUSSION BOARD. What I was saying to you, it because its negative, dont call it a moan, its when its a discussion, otherwise in your eyes, their are no discussion just praise and moans, and its taken you 4 or 5 posts to make a point. Well done. If people like you didnt block up the "discussions" there wouldn't be 12 pages to trawl though.

Anyway, you've made a point.

By Gus' own admission, the players on Friday couldn't play to the way set out. If you watch us regullary, even though with blue and white stripes painted on theur eyeballs, would have to admit, even if only to themselves, its no where near the first time.

No one is calling for hoof ball. That seems to be banded quite a few times in this thread. Too play to our strengths, I would say use your best match winning players. Those would be the wingers. He has 4 top class wingers. One, Vicente he uses in a free role and has won one game in six when he starts. I'd suggest those stats say its not working as well as it can.

He has three top wingers in Buckley, Noone and LuaLua. He'll either ever only play none or one.

He has a striker in CMS who cannot play the lone role. So why ask him to.

He has built a squad, that is crying out for 4-4-2 two stikers, two wingers, two central midfielders. Maybe Reading may show him how to do it.

But it seems he wants to play the Gus way. Which is fantasic, but the down side, by his own admission more than a few times, Burnley being the latest, the players dont always understand it.

2 wins in 13 away from home, would suggest its not working more than it is.

 

[Mr Burns]

Quality means technical ability and a footballing brain to think a couple of moves ahead to me. That costs money.

You normally come up with a reply within minutes, but even though being online for an hour nothing....... okay, I'll count you out of the conversation, and mark you down as a wind up merchant, becuase looking back across your posts, you do seem to have this ability of looking clever and knowledgeable, when all you actually manage to do is disagree with people.

I'm offline now (you can tell by the little green dot) but I'll be back later to see if you or your friends can manage to come up with something useful in the meantime. Try not to take credit for other peoples views though. Try and think of your own

De ja Vue

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

You really are going off on one aren't you.

...followed by paragraphs and paragraphs of you rehashing all the points you've previously made...at length. Nice going.

 

[Mr Burns]

...followed by paragraphs and paragraphs of you rehashing all the points you've previously made...at length. Nice going.

You miss the point.

Sorry but the rehasing is aimed squarely and firmly at Thunder Bolt, as he has a history of doing this. Check him out. All he manages to do it jump on someones bandwagon, disagree with the OP, and then go slient when he slips up and no one else is around to help him. You read a lot of his posts, you'll be hard pushed to actually get a view, that is simply disagreeing with whatever someone else said.

He'll probably finish with the classic, can't be arsed anymore line.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

You miss the point.

Sorry but the rehasing is aimed squarely and firmly at Thunder Bolt, as he has a history of doing this. Check him out. All he manages to do it jump on someones bandwagon, disagree with the OP, and then go slient when he slips up and no one else is around to help him. You read a lot of his posts, you'll be hard pushed to actually get a view, that is simply disagreeing with whatever someone else said.

Then just refer him back. You can't have a go at someone for going off on a rant when you're hovering on this thread ready for yet another 9 paragraph diatribe. That's precisely my point that you clearly missed.

 

[Mr Burns]

Then just refer him back. You can't have a go at someone for going off on a rant when you're hovering on this thread ready for yet another 9 paragraph diatribe. That's precisely my point that you clearly missed.

I'm not having a go at him for going off on a rant. So theres another point someones missed Sorry, was just trying to show him up for what he is.

I quoted him back twice, and he ignores it. But thats the measure of the guy.

Just he's been disagreing with everything, then gives an answer that backs up what I have been saying all along, but he's been disagreeing with.

ANyway, shalt goad him anymore. He's done it before, and I'll remember this thread, and just quote him on it in the future

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You normally come up with a reply within minutes, but even though being online for an hour nothing....... okay, I'll count you out of the conversation, and mark you down as a wind up merchant, becuase looking back across your posts, you do seem to have this ability of looking clever and knowledgeable, when all you actually manage to do is disagree with people.

I'm offline now (you can tell by the little green dot) but I'll be back later to see if you or your friends can manage to come up with something useful in the meantime. Try not to take credit for other peoples views though. Try and think of your own

De ja Vue

Well, excuse me for going and doing something useful in the house without logging off my computer. Btw you still have a little green light so therefore there must be a time lag in showing people on/off line. I quite like the tag 'wind up merchant', as I have an opinion like anyone else, go to lots of games but not sure if that makes me any more knowledgeable than anyone else.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm not having a go at him for going off on a rant. So theres another point someones missed Sorry, was just trying to show him up for what he is.

I quoted him back twice, and he ignores it. But thats the measure of the guy.

Just he's been disagreing with everything, then gives an answer that backs up what I have been saying all along, but he's been disagreeing with.

ANyway, shalt goad him anymore. He's done it before, and I'll remember this thread, and just quote him on it in the future

Lol, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Mr Burns]

Well, excuse me for going and doing something useful in the house without logging off my computer. Btw you still have a little green light so therefore there must be a time lag in showing people on/off line. I quite like the tag 'wind up merchant', as I have an opinion like anyone else, go to lots of games but not sure if that makes me any more knowledgeable than anyone else.

Well contractulation of multi tasking then , as you managed to post in a lot of others threads while you was off doing "something else"

And women say we can't multi-task

 

[Mr Burns]

Lol, you couldn't be more wrong.

Still see you've avoided the issue.

Oops sorry I said I wasn't going to goad you any more.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well contractulation of multi tasking then , as you managed to post in a lot of others threads while you was off doing "something else"

And women say we can't multi-task

You're stalking me aren't you?

 

[Mr Burns]

You're stalking me aren't you?

Oh and he tries to resort to humour. Classic chat room behavior.

Don't worry sit tight, someone will be along to dig you out your hole soon.

Oh shit, I'm goading him again

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh and he tries to resort to humour. Classic chat room behavior.

Don't worry sit tight, someone will be along to dig you out your hole soon.

Oh shit, I'm goading him again

Keep on goading Mr Burns, I'm loving it.

 

[Merlot]

[MENTION=894]Mr Burns[/MENTION]. This is the thread I meant to post in. Love the thread and some good banter and good discussions on about the topic you started. Nice to know you can have a nice and healthy debate. Think you are an ok poster and you air your views when you get fed up with the team. That's what us Brighton fans do. It's called debate and look forward to reading more of your threads.

Don't get me wrong if I think you're wrong then I will raise my opinion but you have been right in the thread title.

 

[Mr Burns]

[MENTION=894]Mr Burns[/MENTION]. This is the thread I meant to post in. Love the thread and some good banter and good discussions on about the topic you started. Nice to know you can have a nice and healthy debate. Think you are an ok poster and you air your views when you get fed up with the team. That's what us Brighton fans do. It's called debate and look forward to reading more of your threads.

Don't get me wrong if I think you're wrong then I will raise my opinion but you have been right in the thread title.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

It seems that there are two main complaints against Gus on this thread, namely why doesn't he play wingers and why is he so stubborn as to not change our style. From my 'vantage' point-that is, on the other side of the world, relying on match commentary, interviews, reports and the odd game I get to see live there are, in my opinion, some fairly logical answers to these questions.

For most of the season, when talking about where to improve the team, the general consensus has been the fullbacks and centre midfield. If we play with two wingers you need to have two defensively decent fullbacks. For most of the season we don't appear to have had that. The signings of Mattock and Reyes have hopefully addressed that particular problem.

However, Poyet has repeatedly stated that he wants us to control and dominate games. To do this you need a strong centre midfield. Unfortunately, by most peoples own admission, we don't have two midfielders capable of doing that yet. So to (attempt to get) the control and dominance that Poyet wants we have to play an extra player in midfield. If we play with two c.m's who aren't capable of controlling the game then no matter how good the wingers are they're not going to be particularly dangerous as they won't be seeing too much of the ball and thus the service to the two strikers will be limited.

The only way I can think of for two wingers to see more of the ball if the c.m is not that strong, is to bypass the c.m and hit the wings directly. However, this is a non starter under Gus as he has said time and again that he wants to build something long term and lasting here. He wants to make the club synonymous with a particular style and philosophy of football., namely a passing possession game That's why he's getting all the age groups and teams to play the same way. Inevitably this is something that will take time. Some players will be able to play it, some will be able to adapt to it while others won't. The ones that can't will be moved on to be replaced by new players(some of whom, unfortunately, will also be unable to fully play it, regardless of how good they may be).

The one thing needed to ensure that this project ends in success is consistancy. If the style changes for short term success then the long term suffers. The desired style won't become embedded in the fabric of the club. If the manager is willing to change styles regularly then there will be a lack of belief and confidence in the style that he ultimately wants to play. It can be a slow, occasionally dull, occasionally painful but ultimately essential process to go through if you want to create an overarching club philosophy.

It seems to me that Poyet has a grand vision for the club. Maybe it will turn out to be too grand and is doomed to failurebut all the time he is steering us on an upward trajectory then I am willing to buy into it. And that's why it is important to remember and appreciate where we were two and a half years ago as opposed to now.

Of course, these are all just my opinions and it may well be that in a few hours Poyet will go attack crazy and go against everything that he' tried to do up to now...