Don't worry, Labour will return!

[Don Quixote]

Hilarious how the centre left had to prop them up. An epic failure by Cameron and no one seems to realise.

 

[Pantani]

So it is envy.

Why is it envy? Did I say I wanted these things? I am happy with my full time job that does not earn that much, because I enjoy it. I am also happy with the degree I do at the same time. I don't crave more money or to move up in class. I do though believe that the lack of social mobility in this country is a bad thing.

What should smeone born into money do? Give it all away.

Why should they? The money has been earnt, and taxed. If its pased on, surely thats the right of the person who passes it in isn't it.

I am not saying that wealth should not be passed on or that they should give their money away. The point is if you have money, or your parents did, you can be work shy and feckless and you will still be rich. If you are poor and similar, you will be on the dole all your life, not to mention vilified by the right wing press and people withyourn views.

If you work hard and are rich already you will get richer. If you are poor and work hard you may get richer, you may not. That is unfair.

 

[DerbyGull]

A lot of the time its not what you know, its who you know.

Oh absolutely, this is true.

Just doesn't make it equal that's all, but hidey ho

 

[SeagullRic]

Why? Work hard, earn loads of money, invest it in your kids a private education, and your heirs will be able to join in.

For "work hard", please read "exploit the system". Basically, capitalism is based on such values, and shitting on those below you is essential if you want to rise to the top. In a capitalist society not everyone can succeed, some must fail otherwise the system would never work, and this is essentially what I disagree with. You believe that "working hard" and exploiting the system means it is ones right of passage to be rich, and we should penalise those members of society who aren't so lucky, whereas I reject the idea of a value concensus and would love to see a fairer, more egalitarian society than the one we currently live in. This will not happen under the Conservative party, and consequently this is the reason why I would never vote for the tories.

 

[Mr Burns]

Two typical example of life under a labour govrnment.

Single mum. Has second child by second father. Social says you can find a new house now, because you are entitled to £1400 housing benifits a month!! Paid in cash, not to mention other handouts they are getting, ie council tax, family credits

61 year old, worked all his life out of work claiming £50 a week. Told to go as far as 100 miles to find work. Can't. So what happens. Goes on pension credits, together with other hand outs, gets £300 a week. Was happy on £50 and looking for wrk, now will never work again.

That just two examples out of hundreds of thousands, and peope wonder why we are in finanical meltdown, and Labour try and tell its "Is a global problem".

By the way, neither of these pople come under Labours official "low" unemployment numbers. And both these people are members of my extended family, and it makes me f***ing vomit

 

[simmo]

Come on, can it be right that he is the nineteenth Prime Minister from Eton? Can it be right that thirteen of Cameron's front bench are from Eton? It would be wrong if thirteen of his front bench were from a council estate in Tower Hamlets, the same applies equally to Eton. He is not getting a plurality of views that is the problem. Not one mans attendance at a particular school.

Why is where he was schooled up to when he was 16/18 relevant to how he and other old Etonians see life from now on. He and other members of his cabinet have had another 25+ years outside of Eton to get a "plurality of views". This can be seen by his thoughts in respect of the NHS and how they treated his disabled son.

 

[pork pie]

For "work hard", please read "exploit the system". Basically, capitalism is based on such values, and shitting on those below you is essential if you want to rise to the top. In a capitalist society not everyone can succeed, some must fail otherwise the system would never work, and this is essentially what I disagree with. You believe that "working hard" and exploiting the system means it is ones right of passage to be rich, and we should penalise those members of society who aren't so lucky, whereas I reject the idea of a value concensus and would love to see a fairer, more egalitarian society than the one we currently live in. This will not happen under the Conservative party, and consequently this is the reason why I would never vote for the tories.

As we used to say when I was growing up with the threat of WW3 - better dead than red!

 

[simmo]

Hilarious how the centre left had to prop them up. An epic failure by Cameron and no one seems to realise.

Give him a chance he has only been in power 1 day!!!!!!

 

[Mr Everyone]

As we used to say when I was growing up with the threat of WW3 - better dead than red!

I thought you said your household was liberal?

 

[London Calling]

Where he was educated is irrelevant and it is also irrelevant as to whether he can do the job as PM. The only thing that matters is whether he was educated well. It is brought up by the left out of pure jealousy because we all know it costs a lot of money to be educated at Eton and it something in reality we would all like to have happened to ourselves/our children.

Where I differ (Or it mayby semantics) , is that Eton and his Oxford education has provided him with the skills to be a PM, especially in the present media driven political arena.

To me its no surprise, that Barristers make up more of the old labour party mp's than Trade Unionist.

I have no intention of sending my children there or to any public school, though Ms LC, did have a private education for a few years and tells me of the strengths and weaknesses.

My dilema will be if any of the kids are offered a schloarship (typo).

I am not againgst the principle of public schools, but want the best education for whole and we are not getting that!!

 

[Mr Burns]

I am not saying that wealth should not be passed on or that they should give their money away. The point is if you have money, or your parents did, you can be work shy and feckless and you will still be rich. If you are poor and similar, you will be on the dole all your life, not to mention vilified by the right wing press and people withyourn views.

If you work hard and are rich already you will get richer. If you are poor and work hard you may get richer, you may not. That is unfair.

So if your not saying, that what are you saying?

Life is not fair, I agree with that. But it appears by the way you talk you have the makings of being a communist? Unless I'm missing your point, what are you saying?

 

[SeagullRic]

As we used to say when I was growing up with the threat of WW3 - better dead than red!

Anything to say/contradict on the content of my post? Or are you just going to try and slither your way out of it like Cameron himself?

 

[pork pie]

I thought you said your household was liberal?

Sorry, who said anything about at home? I'm talking about as young men half expecting to be made to fight the Eastern Block at any time.

 

[Don Quixote]

Give him a chance he has only been in power 1 day!!!!!!

No I am going to do what people did to Brown and hate him from day one and slate him non stop and call him a f***ing two eyed english posh Cunt wanker prick who deserves to fuckingg DIE.

 

[London Calling]

I was listening to Stuart Bell Labour yesterday, telling the world, Labour had to go back to its Trade Unionist and working class routes. To become a proper Social Democratic Party.



A fine ideal, but I believe the last election has shown Labour going back to its solid foundations of 28%.

So Bell's ideas are fine for a party wanted to work under a coalition within PR, but bye bye Labour under a first pass the post.

 

[simmo]

This thread has been fun today. It has reinforced my belief that it is easier to be right wing; prickly, ignorant, assuming, coarse and rude. Whereas the more left, the more open-minded, fair and educated.

Yes, reading the thread has reinforced my view too, that the left especially the young left, just repeat everything their teachers and uni lecturers tell them and make themselves think they are really clever, much more cleverer than any right wingers, smug and self satisfied.

 

[User removed 4]

This.

I f***ed up at school, but that had alot to do with me having ADHD (Attenton Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder), in a nutshell being a crazy kid who ran all over the classroom, wound up the teachers, never sat still, and found it impossible to concentrate, i left school with NO gcse's. Luckily i had the backing of a good family and instead of becoming a statistic i did the 'labour invented' access course and am now about to do the 3rd year of a degree in crime and justice. And at 28 i feel that i am indebted to Labour for giving me that second chance, hence my loyalties to them. I can't help but feel i never would have got that chance under tories.

I mean record numbers of students at uni giving more people from lesser backgrounds a chance is a great thing and i am very grateful to labour.

To what use do you intend to put your crime and justice degree ? What sort of emploment do you intend to look for after you graduate ?

 

[pork pie]

Anything to say/contradict on the content of my post? Or are you just going to try and slither your way out of it like Cameron himself?

If you wish. Your post is one of an idealistic deamer. Your views are communist, and look how that worked out. Everyone is different, some people grab their chances by the scruff of the neck, work hard and succeed, others will let life drift by, whinging and moaning that others have more than them. Happy now?

 

[pork pie]

To what use do you intend to put your crime and justice degree ? What sort of emploment do you intend to look for after you graduate ?

Old bill! You had better watch out!

 

[Pantani]

Why is where he was schooled up to when he was 16/18 relevant to how he and other old Etonians see life from now on. He and other members of his cabinet have had another 25+ years outside of Eton to get a "plurality of views". This can be seen by his thoughts in respect of the NHS and how they treated his disabled son.

Then they all went to Oxford or Cambridge Universities anyway, so that is some of his 25+ years outside of Eton gone.

How can one's education not be considered to influence one's viewpoint on the world? Throughout his formative years he was schooled with a certain group of people, he then went to university with a similar group of people, he has now surrounded himself with these people in his government. Yes, he has experienced other sides of life since leaving Eton. No, it is not right that one school has fourteen people in the cabinet of this country.