Don't worry, Labour will return!

[glasfryn]

Hey, the CON-DEM-NATION is here and congratulations to the Cameron/Clegg Clegg/Cameron thingy.

Labour will be reborn under Miliband and these unelected prime minister sham thingys will help restore power to Labour before the five years they so ambitiously target.

and I think it might be a lot sooner than many think

 

[simmo]

No I am going to do what people did to Brown and hate him from day one and slate him non stop and call him a f***ing two eyed english posh Cunt wanker prick who deserves to fuckingg DIE.

You do whatever you want to, but I didn't do that to Brown, I actually voted for New Labour in 97 I thought then like I do now that the country really needed a change. However, I have come to the conclusion they have badly let the country down and have changed my views on left wing idealogy and ideals.

You really owe it to yourself not to think like this, you are blinkering your own thoughts and narrowing them down. If he does a bad job sure by all means say so and it is your democratic right to shout it from the rooftops, but you should give him a chance.

 

[pork pie]

Then they all went to Oxford or Cambridge Universities anyway, so that is some of his 25+ years outside of Eton gone.

How can one's education not be considered to influence one's viewpoint on the world? Throughout his formative years he was schooled with a certain group of people, he then went to university with a similar group of people, he has now surrounded himself with these people in his government. Yes, he has experienced other sides of life since leaving Eton. No, it is not right that one school has fourteen people in the cabinet of this country.

Why not? It is the best in the Country, and as they said "The battle of Waterloo was won on the playing field of Eaton". Nothing wrong with that and no need to change it! I hope that at some point in the future my heirs have the chance to go there. I would not wish them to waste the education on a career in politics though!

 

[Pantani]

So if your not saying, that what are you saying?

Life is not fair, I agree with that. But it appears by the way you talk you have the makings of being a communist? Unless I'm missing your point, what are you saying?

I am saying that there are insufficient oppurtunities for the poor to rise up through the classes (or income brackets if you prefer). If you grow up poor in a poor area the chances are you will go to a poor school, you will therefore have a poor education and less chances in life and vice versa for rich areas. That is not right. Do you disagree with that?

I would not say I am a communist. I am though most definitely a socialist. I do not think that capitalism is inherently evil, just that it's more extreme excesses need to be reined in, and that wealth should be spread more equitably than it is presently.

 

[User removed 4]

Can it be right that thirteen of Cameron's front bench are from Eton?

Are you sure about that ?

 

[SeagullRic]

If you wish. Your post is one of an idealistic deamer. Your views are communist, and look how that worked out. Everyone is different, some people grab their chances by the scruff of the neck, work hard and succeed, others will let life drift by, whinging and moaning that others have more than them. Happy now?

If being an "idealistic dreamer" means I want a more fair society, are you suggesting this is not possible? Are we going to always live in a society where (and to quote the Great Gatsby) "the rich get richer and the poor get.... children". I sincerly hope not, and I believe it is possible to re-address the balance of power, and ulitmately make Britain as a whole more egalitarian and consequently a better place to live.

I agree that everyone is different: some have vastly more money than others, and this is undeniably the main factor as to whether one "makes it" or not in life. I will say it again: not everyone can succeed, are you implying that unless you become rich you have let life "drift by" and that because you are only a teacher, nurse, policeman or soldier you should simply accept the fact that others have played the system to their benefit and in a way which has a detrimental effect on others?

 

[Pantani]

If you wish. Your post is one of an idealistic deamer. Your views are communist, and look how that worked out. Everyone is different, some people grab their chances by the scruff of the neck, work hard and succeed, others will let life drift by, whinging and moaning that others have more than them. Happy now?

His views are socialist not communist. Please stop categorising everyone with left wing views as communist. It really does not further the debate.

 

[pork pie]

If being an "idealistic dreamer" means I want a more fair society, are you suggesting this is not possible? Are we going to always live in a society where (and to quote the Great Gatsby) "the rich get richer and the poor get.... children". I sincerly hope not, and I believe it is possible to re-address the balance of power, and ulitmately make Britain as a whole more egalitarian and consequently a better place to live.

I agree that everyone is different: some have vastly more money than others, and this is undeniably the main factor as to whether one "makes it" or not in life. I will say it again: not everyone can succeed, are you implying that unless you become rich you have let life "drift by" and that because you are only a teacher, nurse, policeman or soldier you should simply accept the fact that others have played the system to their benefit and in a way which has a detrimental effect on others?

That is far from what I am saying. I do not accept that teachers, nurses policemen or soldiers are even poor. My comments relate to those who will not work and prefer to hold their hand out for the benefits that Labour Governments love to give to some people, who have done nothing to warrant them.

 

[Pantani]

Are you sure about that ?

Yes.

BBC News - Why has Eton produced so many prime ministers?

 

[pork pie]

His views are socialist not communist. Please stop categorising everyone with left wing views as communist. It really does not further the debate.

Call yourselves what the hell you like. You are all "reds" to me!

 

[DerbyGull]

To what use do you intend to put your crime and justice degree ? What sort of emploment do you intend to look for after you graduate ?

I looked into becoming a probation officer before i started the C&J, because coming from christian roots, i believe it fitted me. And after speaking to the course leader he said this would give me the best chance. It's upto me now to get work experience with the probation service this summer or the similar. But last year they cut the probation services budget by 25%, made a load of probation officers redundant and have frozen recriutment. So i am going to keep my options open.

I'm not particularly drawn to the police, but some areas i do like.

I'll have to keep an open mind, but alot of businesses take you on with ANY degree 2:1 or above, so i'm going to have to do things on top of this degree to make me more attractive to prospective employers. I've worked in admin with the nhs for 5 years so i'm also looking at working my way up with them. But NHS not looking good now the tories are gonna make big cuts. I just hope the tories don't get rid of graduate schemes.

 

[Mr Burns]

I am saying that there are insufficient oppurtunities for the poor to rise up through the classes (or income brackets if you prefer). If you grow up poor in a poor area the chances are you will go to a poor school, you will therefore have a poor education and less chances in life and vice versa for rich areas. That is not right. Do you disagree with that?

I wouldn't disagree with that. But what did labour do in 13 years to change this. Handing out money, without an incenive to work, will keep poor areas poor. Tories idea is too make people work, and if you give the poor the chance/or make them work, maybe children born in poor areas will have a better chance of bettering themselves. Maybe if children don't grow up seeing parents not working and living comfortable lives in their paid for homes, they won't copy it. Bth my parents worked, all my grandparents work, so wrking too me, is the norm. But too many children grow upin areas where wrk is alien to them, and therefore will not work, and stay "poor". Hardly the fault of the tories is it? Hardly the fault of a party who wan to encourge people into work.

Obviously its not going to happen overnight, you need to have jobs to start with, but then again, Labour haven't exactly done much about that. Sure they'll point to bringing employment figures down, but as my example earlier, in my eyes if someone is out of work and on benifits, they are still unemployemnt, even though official figures don't show that.

As I said before, amazing how if Labour is the working mans party, most labour strongholds are full of high unemployment. Look at Liverpool. Its a stereotype I know, but theres it known as a work shy area, and Labour have probably 5 of their stronest seats there.

 

[Pantani]

Call yourselves what the hell you like. You are all "reds" to me!

It is the implication though. Others have bothered to post detailed responses on this thread, you in the main have responded with single sentences and have resorted to calling people communists or reds. I am mainly enjoying the debate and was hoping you might post something a bit more constructive.

 

[User removed 4]

Yes.

BBC News - Why has Eton produced so many prime ministers?

No, are you sure he has 14 old etonians on the front bench ?

 

[SeagullRic]

That is far from what I am saying. I do not accept that teachers, nurses policemen or soldiers are even poor. My comments relate to those who will not work and prefer to hold their hand out for the benefits that Labour Governments love to give to some people, who have done nothing to warrant them.

So if you are in one of those professions, is it automatically "whinging or moaning" if you complain about the unfairness which allows the upper class to continue oppressing (indeed the gap between rich and poor has got wider recently, and will continue to do so under the tories) and controlling the classes below them?

As Pantani said, I would describe myself as a socialist (or marxist). I have never voted Labour (I'm only 17 so can't vote anyway) so quite where you've got this idea of me as a "red" just because I oppose capitalism and the tory party I'm not sure.

 

[DerbyGull]

Old bill! You had better watch out!

Haha Old Bill. We'll see

 

[Ding Dong !]

Great thread with many interesting points raised. But it does suprise me as to how many people on here think it is almost criminal to have a superior class within our nation. But is this not the same in most countries throughout the world. You will always have the high/lower class system. But I cannot help feel that Labour wanted just a one class system for all............the lower class.

 

[pork pie]

So if you are in one of those professions, is it automatically "whinging or moaning" if you complain about the unfairness which allows the upper class to continue oppressing (indeed the gap between rich and poor has got wider recently, and will continue to do so under the tories) and controlling the classes below them?

As Pantani said, I would describe myself as a socialist (or marxist). I have never voted Labour (I'm only 17 so can't vote anyway) so quite where you've got this idea of me as a "red" just because I oppose capitalism and the tory party I'm not sure.

Run along sunny jim, come back to talk to the grownups when you are old enough to have a valid opinion and vote.

We all go through our extreme politics stage, you look to be going through yours at this time. Don't worry, you will develop sensible views as you see more of this world.

 

[User removed 4]

No, are you sure he has 14 old etonians on the front bench ?

I'll take that as a no then.

 

[Mr Burns]

So if you are in one of those professions, is it automatically "whinging or moaning" if you complain about the unfairness which allows the upper class to continue oppressing (indeed the gap between rich and poor has got wider recently, and will continue to do so under the tories) and controlling the classes below them?

Just to clarify your point, the Gap has gotton wider under Labour, FACT.

Continue to do so under the Tories, is your opinion, a guess, not based on any fact, as it has not happened.