Don't worry, Labour will return!

[Pantani]

I don't really agree with you on the minimum wage, I think the cost of living needs to come down, and it was Labour that allowed house prices to sore out of control to create this mess. Houses prices are out of reach of most normal workers, in you are a first time buyer, and on average wage, means you are priced out of the market, so raising wages would only push up prices, you need to bring prices down to met wages, because as Labour have shown, it certainly doesn't work the other way.

I think part of the reason for house price raises, amongst a lot of others, is state handouts. They are paying cash for people to rent houses. With a virtial nil interest rate, of course those who can afford them will buy them and rent them out at a profit, whilst paying of the capitial, and thus become richer. Again, when the tories lost power a house in Brighton that would have cost you 50k is now going to cost you 250k. This has happened under Labour, the supposed poor mans party. Your average worker, can not afford to pay a grand a month in rent. Yet the social does it more than most of us would want to know! If they didn't pay it, rent would have to come down, and reduce house prices with it. But then you can't just bring house prices down, as it will expose the banks again. Again, Labour polices allowed this too happen. And this part of the reason way the rich have got richer under Labour, as much as Labour supporters want to deny it, it is a fact. Labour allowed people to become reckless and not be responseable with their money.

In 13 years Labour have failed this country, and left it in a mess that will take at least a pariliment to clear up.

Finally its quite a change to have a sensible exchange of views on here with someone, instead of one line putdowns without meaning or discussions

I have to agree with a lot of what you say here. I think we just differ on the means to address these problems. I have an essay to do and unfortunately it is not on this subject so I will have to end this discussion here.

Likewise, it has been a pleasure to have a sensible debate on these issues.

 

[simmo]

Most of this middle paragraph is difficult to read, but from what sense I can make of it, most of it, if any, is correct.

The housing market is dictated by supply and demand, essentially. Due to the scandalous sell-off of social housing under Thatcher's government, the amount of council housing available to the needy has declined. It is her legacy, largely, that has contributed to the price of housing in this country.

In response to your rather unsavoury views of those unfortunately receiving benefits. Do you know how much more money the country loses by those who choose not to contribute and live as tax exiles ?

Ah here it is, the default position of the left...blame Thatcher for everything. Eventhough she left office 20 years ago now.

 

[Mr Everyone]

Thatcher was by no means the worst prime minister, but at the same time, she wasn't our finest.

 

[Simster]

He's on the sidelines , but not as 'on the sidlines' as gordon brown eh ?

Eh?

I guess you know I'm right. Jobs for the boys, and all that.

 

[Mr Everyone]

I have to agree with a lot of what you say here. I think we just differ on the means to address these problems. I have an essay to do and unfortunately it is not on this subject so I will have to end this discussion here.

Likewise, it has been a pleasure to have a sensible debate on these issues.

Pleasure reading your sound comments, are you studying a social science?

 

[DerbyGull]

Yea those tax evaders on Guernsey and other tax havens rob Britain of BILLIONS :s

But they get off lightly ? ?

 

[User removed 4]

Eh?

I guess you know I'm right. Jobs for the boys, and all that.

Seriously, what the f*** are you on about ?

 

[Mr Everyone]

Yea those tax evaders on Guernsey and other tax havens rob Britain of BILLIONS :s

But they get off lightly ? ?

It's laughable how intolerant people can be when it comes to benefit 'cheats', but, oddly, tax 'cheats' don't appear to be on the right's radar!

 

[SI 4 BHA]

Full of assumptions, Westdene. My employers are the government as I work in the public-sector.

Would never have guessed that from your comments!! You are obviously someone who expects the state to give you everything, including a job.

 

[Pantani]

Pleasure reading your sound comments, are you studying a social science?

Human Geography.

 

[User removed 4]

I really think the minimum wage should be raised to at least £7 p/h, that would be a start. So the guy running his business has to think twice about going to that expensive restaurant twice a week and opt for somewhere cheaper, it would be 'character building' as they say. It would also wipe out the need for tax credits. There was a girl on BBC news a moment ago saying she worked F/T in a phone shop and had a kid at nursery which was payed for by tax credits, without which she'd have to quit her job. I also know a girl at my work in the same position. It is people like this who suffer the most.

I agree about £ 7 P/H minimum wage , and then you ruined it with your politics of envy comment about businessmen thinking twice before going to restaurants.

 

[DerbyGull]

Ah here it is, the default position of the left...blame Thatcher for everything. Eventhough she left office 20 years ago now.

Thatcher was smart, she saw that council estates/houses were areas of depreciation, vandalism and violence, etc etc, but if you give these guys an opportunity to buy the place then, a remarkable shift happens. They then own their home, so they take care of their house, garden, street, neighbourhood etc etc. Crime and disorder diasppeared in those places.

However she didn't replace the housing stock, it was a good vision from maggie, but now we have a severe shortage of council homes.

 

[Mr Everyone]

Would never have guessed that from your comments!! You are obviously someone who expects the state to give you everything, including a job.

Hello Si. I had to study three years at university and move to West Bromwich from Brighton. I work (hard) full time as a theatre nurse. Handouts? Please elaborate..

 

[Mr Everyone]

Human Geography.

Medical student?

 

[DerbyGull]

Human Geography.

What the hell ? ?

Sounds suspiciously like Sociology (great subject)

 

[DerbyGull]

I agree about £ 7 P/H minimum wage , and then you ruined it with your politics of envy comment about businessmen thinking twice before going to restaurants.

A little give and take Bushy

 

[Pantani]

Medical student?

I am so bored of this question. Human geography is the study of mans interaction with their environment. It is effectively a social science that focuses primarily on the impact of space and place on our lives.

 

[DerbyGull]

I agree about £ 7 P/H minimum wage , and then you ruined it with your politics of envy comment about businessmen thinking twice before going to restaurants.

And bushy, seriously. I am not personally envious of any business making lots of cash. I'll be perfectly happy after uni in a £20,000 a year job. Ok so forget about the businessman comment. How about TESCO: Their success is built upon their manual labour workforce, without those guys then NO profits. And when you're a shelf stacker working your nakkers off for £5.80 p/h and your employer is boasting profits of £6billion every six months you might feel that you deserve more. So £7ph would make Britain a fairer society.

 

[pork pie]

I am so bored of this question. Human geography is the study of mans interaction with their environment. It is effectively a social science that focuses primarily on the impact of space and place on our lives.

Ha, so you're an opinionated snot nosed student?

 

[Mr Burns]

Most of this middle paragraph is difficult to read, but from what sense I can make of it, most of it, if any, is correct.

The housing market is dictated by supply and demand, essentially. Due to the scandalous sell-off of social housing under Thatcher's government, the amount of council housing available to the needy has declined. It is her legacy, largely, that has contributed to the price of housing in this country.

In response to your rather unsavoury views of those unfortunately receiving benefits. Do you know how much more money the country loses by those who choose not to contribute and live as tax exiles ?

No I don't know please tell. But whatever it is doesn't mean I agree with it. And and by the way, as difficult as the middle paragraph was too read, I can't make sense of your first sentance! "Most of it, if any is correct!?!?" mmmm

I wondered how long it would be before Thatcher was dragged into it.

I think you will also find housing is still being sold off during Labours regin. I think you'll find Labour has the best part of 13 years to correct the shortage of housing, and from where I'm sitting, pretty much did f*** all about it, so try not to blame a government that was last in power 20 years ago!