Don't worry, Labour will return!

[pork pie]

In addition to what Thatcher said about people 'bettering themselves'.

Look back on the schools that the last twelve prime ministers went to. Apart from Brown, did any of them attend non-independent schools?

Look at the current prime minster, Mayor of London and chancellor and tell me what they have in common.

The schools they attend is a factor of their family's wealth, and not a "class" thing. If your father had started as a shopkeeper and ended up with Asda on his hands, he would have been able to send you for a private education. Why are people so bitter when others succeed in life?

 

[Mr Burns]

although I voted Green at this election.

That's one accounted for, only another 16,237 to hunt down

 

[pork pie]

To an extent this is true. At the same time though the gap between rich and poor has increased during Labour's four parliaments. This I am afraid is the true shame of the New Labour project. I say this as a Labour supporter in general, although I voted Green at this election.

Maybe it is because the rich got off their arses and did something other than hold their hands out for something for nothing?

I understand that our beloved Chairman is a self-made man, and is now generously giving us Falmer and a team to be proud of again. What is wrong with that?

 

[Superphil]

What a shite username you have there fella. In a minority it would seem, certianly not Everyman.

I am sure Labour will return at some point, that's how it goes. The current government will at some time be voted out, whether that is in 6 months, a year, or even the 5 years they are promising us. Personally, I hope they do a good job, serving the British people, and are able to improve this country, which right now is in a bit of a mess (not all Labours fault). If they do well, the people may well vote for them again, if they fail (and they aren't trying to fail), then they may well go (assuming there is a viable alternative).

But what I don't get, is why people like you are making this out to be some kind of conspiracy, or the end of the world? It's democracy, working in the best way it can under difficult circumstances. Or do you people (there seems to be plenty of you about on this board) not believe in democracy?

 

[Mr Everyone]

The schools they attend is a factor of their family's wealth, and not a "class" thing. If your father had started as a shopkeeper and ended up with Asda on his hands, he would have been able to send you for a private education. Why are people so bitter when others succeed in life?

Not bitter at all, I'm extremely happy with what Cardinal Newman, Brighton College of Technology, Varndean College and Kingston Uni have given me. Please don't for one minute think that.

It's an observation.

 

[Mr Burns]

Why are people so bitter when others succeed in life?

And that my friend is the root of most Labour supporters arguments. Envy.

I left school with one GCSE. ONE C grade.

In the past few years, from stratch, I built up a business close to being worth a million squid. Within a few years I will stop working and live of my earnings and properties my wealth will allow me to buy.

Why should I not send my children to private school, if I think that will give them a better chance in life? Why should I pay more tax to support the low paid or single mothers, or people that can't be arsed to work. Why when I die, should my estate be taxed again?

If I can do it, anyone can do it. Anyone who is prepared to work hard and put in the hours, and thats where most Labour supporters falter.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I absolutely believe it. People who still believe in being part of a "class" and consider that they must conform to the aspirations of that class are beyond me. The crap posted on here by people like you now gives me a better understanding of why Maggie's fantastic work in giving EVERYONE the chance to better themselves is not understood.

Spot on. Too many people asociate wealth with "class". Those that do not manage to gain wealth tend to be the ones that blame the so called class system.

 

[DerbyGull]

And that my friend is the root of most Labour supporters arguments. Envy.

I left school with one GCSE. ONE C grade.

In the past few years, from stratch, I built up a business close to being worth a million squid. Within a few years I will stop working and live of my earnings and properties my wealth will allow me to buy.

Why should I not send my children to private school, if I think that will give them a better chance in life? Why should I pay more tax to support the low paid or single mothers, or people that can't be arsed to work. Why when I die, should my estate be taxed again?

If I can do it, anyone can do it. Anyone who is prepared to work hard and put in the hours, and thats where most Labour supporters falter.

That's a good point.

And congratulations by the way

 

[Mr Everyone]

And that my friend is the root of most Labour supporters arguments. Envy.

I left school with one GCSE. ONE C grade.

In the past few years, from stratch, I built up a business close to being worth a million squid. Within a few years I will stop working and live of my earnings and properties my wealth will allow me to buy.

Why should I not send my children to private school, if I think that will give them a better chance in life? Why should I pay more tax to support the low paid or single mothers, or people that can't be arsed to work. Why when I die, should my estate be taxed again?

If I can do it, anyone can do it. Anyone who is prepared to work hard and put in the hours, and thats where most Labour supporters falter.

Ah the great, 'I work hard' argument. It always makes me laugh when I hear the chief executive who points to hard work when justifying the six figure payout he gets upon leaving.

If that's the case, why doesn't the 'hard working' tea lady or hod-carrier get rewarded in the same fashion? They work hard. Everyone works hard.

In answer to this, 'I started from nothing and now look at me' line. How many people were involved in this route? Were they acknowledged in the same, generous way?

Look at the Virgin company. Richard Branson established and built it into what it is today. Did he? How many people work/ed (hard) under the Virgin name bringing it success, but aren't/weren't paid and recognised in the way Branson was/is?

Business is all about exploitation and greed.

 

[DerbyGull]

Why are people so bitter when others succeed in life?

I think the key word here mate is, INEQUALITY, Blair/Brown and their New Labour tried to break down these barriers. And succeeeded to an extent. My only fear is that we go back to inequality under Conservative. I hope Cameron has learned some thing from all those years looking up to Blair. After all he was quoted as saying he was the 'Aire to Blair'.

 

[pork pie]

Business is all about exploitation and greed.

Fortunately, you are wrong. Business is the cornerstone of our society, and this is acknowleged by ALL three major political parties.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Business is all about exploitation and greed.

No, it's about putting your own balls and money on the line and reaping the rewards if successful. Many people who start a business put their homes at risk etc - employees tend not to. Many businesses fail with the person who started it losing all their savings and homes BUT at least they took the chance of creating wealth for themselves. That's exactly what Richard Branson did.

 

[Pantani]

Maybe it is because the rich got off their arses and did something other than hold their hands out for something for nothing?

I understand that our beloved Chairman is a self-made man, and is now generously giving us Falmer and a team to be proud of again. What is wrong with that?

Nice one. Tony Bloom has done well for himself. However, as I recall he is from a long line of Albion directors. Implying his family has been rich for a long time. You can delude yourself if you want, but social mobility is nowhere near what it should be in this country. New Labour are as much to blame for this as the Conservatives.

To label all poor people as lazy is pathetic and part of the reason why you get such extreme anti-Tory views from Labour supporters. Engage your brain and debate issues without resorting to petty insults, please.

 

[pork pie]

I think the key word here mate is, INEQUALITY, Blair/Brown and their New Labour tried to break down these barriers. And succeeeded to an extent. My only fear is that we go back to inequality under Conservative. I hope Cameron has learned some thing from all those years looking up to Blair. After all he was quoted as saying he was the 'Aire to Blair'.

At what point did Blair and his wife become socially unacceptable? After which million in their significant fortune? Life is not fair my friend. What should be as fair as possible is the chance that everyone gets to make the most from their life (i.e. their education). If they then blow it - well, frankly that is sad, but tough.

 

[Mr Everyone]

Nice one. Tony Bloom has done well for himself. However, as I recall he is from a long line of Albion directors. Implying his family has been rich for a long time. You can delude yourself if you want, but social mobility is nowhere near what it should be in this country. New Labour are as much to blame for this as the Conservatives.

To label all poor people as lazy is pathetic and part of the reason why you get such extreme anti-Tory views from Labour supporters. Engage your brain and debate issues without resorting to petty insults, please.

At last, sense!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

To label all poor people as lazy is pathetic and part of the reason why you get such extreme anti-Tory views from Labour supporters. Engage your brain and debate issues without resorting to petty insults, please.

But that works the other way round - "rich people are all upper class toffs" appears to be the mantra of many a Labour supporter.

 

[Mr Everyone]

No, it's about putting your own balls and money on the line and reaping the rewards if successful. Many people who start a business put their homes at risk etc - employees tend not to. Many businesses fail with the person who started it losing all their savings and homes BUT at least they took the chance of creating wealth for themselves. That's exactly what Richard Branson did.

No, Richard Branson is a master manipulator and exploiter. As are all successful businessmen.

 

[pork pie]

Nice one. Tony Bloom has done well for himself. However, as I recall he is from a long line of Albion directors. Implying his family has been rich for a long time. You can delude yourself if you want, but social mobility is nowhere near what it should be in this country. New Labour are as much to blame for this as the Conservatives.

To label all poor people as lazy is pathetic and part of the reason why you get such extreme anti-Tory views from Labour supporters. Engage your brain and debate issues without resorting to petty insults, please.

The Blooms may have been directors of the Club for years, but to my understanding, Tony Bloom has made far more money through his own endevours.

Clearly you politics are left of Labour and must boarder on communism. Remind me what happened to that system please?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No, Richard Branson is a master manipulator and exploiter. As are all successful businessmen.

And those successful businessmen you so decry are probably providing YOU with a job !

 

[HH Brighton]

And that my friend is the root of most Labour supporters arguments. Envy.

I left school with one GCSE. ONE C grade.

In the past few years, from stratch, I built up a business close to being worth a million squid. Within a few years I will stop working and live of my earnings and properties my wealth will allow me to buy.

Why should I not send my children to private school, if I think that will give them a better chance in life? Why should I pay more tax to support the low paid or single mothers, or people that can't be arsed to work. Why when I die, should my estate be taxed again?

If I can do it, anyone can do it. Anyone who is prepared to work hard and put in the hours, and thats where most Labour supporters falter.

Oh dear oh dear