Don't worry, Labour will return!

[Mr Burns]

Ah the great, 'I work hard' argument. It always makes me laugh when I hear the chief executive who points to hard work when justifying the six figure payout he gets upon leaving.

If that's the case, why doesn't the 'hard working' tea lady or hod-carrier get rewarded in the same fashion? They work hard. Everyone works hard.

In answer to this I started from nothing and now look at me line. How many people were involved in this route? Were they acknowledged in the same, generous way?

Look at the Virgin company. Richard Branson established and built it into what it is today. How many people work/ed (hard) under the Virgin name bringing it success, but aren't/weren't paid and recognised in the way Branson was/is?

Business is all about exploitation and greed.

And there you have just summed up a typical Labour supporter.

ENVY

Why should people that work hard under Richard Branson obtain the same pay/recognised as him?? He HANDED them the job. He built the company. He takes the risks.

Why shoulkd a tea lady, a good anyone can do (if your a lady) get paid the same as the chief ex. Does she generate the same profits as the bosses. Does she have the same responabilites as the bosses.

That is the most stupid argument I have ever seen on NSC, and its got good competition.

But as I say, summed up in one word.. ENVY

 

[Mr Everyone]

Full of assumptions, Westdene. My employers are the government as I work in the public-sector.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Oh dear oh dear

At least put up an arguement as to what is so wrong with making something of yourself and reaping the rewards !

 

[Superphil]

If that's the case, why doesn't the 'hard working' tea lady or hod-carrier get rewarded in the same fashion? They work hard. Everyone works hard.

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Ah, now I see, you're a communist, everyone should be rewarded the same, regardless of talent, dedication, ambition, and dare I say it, being a bit more intelligent than others, therefore they get better jobs and get paid more.

 

[Mr Everyone]

And there you have just summed up a typical Labour supporter.

ENVY

Why should people that work hard under Richard Branson obtain the same pay/recognised as him?? He HANDED them the job. He built the company. He takes the risks.

Why shoulkd a tea lady, a good anyone can do (if your a lady) get paid the same as the chief ex. Does she generate the same profits as the bosses. Does she have the same responabilites as the bosses.

That is the most stupid argument I have ever seen on NSC, and its got good competition.

But as I say, summed up in one word.. ENVY

If you are labelling me with, envy, I'll put IGNORANT on you, petal.

 

[Mr Everyone]

Ah, now I see, you're a communist, everyone should be rewarded the same, regardless of talent, dedication, ambition, and dare I say it, being a bit more intelligent than others, therefore they get better jobs and get paid more.

Marxist, 'super', do keep up!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Full of assumptions, Westdene. My employers are the government as I work in the public-sector.

Ahhh - that explains a lot.

As a private sector worker I want equality and that means I want equal pension rights as you - be it that your pension is downgraded or mine upgrade but let's at least make it equal.

Also, your wages ARE paid for by successful businessmen - it's called TAX !!! Tell you what, let's stop the busnessmen scum from earning loads of money and see how quickly there's not enough money to pay the armies of public servants !

 

[Pantani]

And that my friend is the root of most Labour supporters arguments. Envy.

I left school with one GCSE. ONE C grade.

In the past few years, from stratch, I built up a business close to being worth a million squid. Within a few years I will stop working and live of my earnings and properties my wealth will allow me to buy.

Why should I not send my children to private school, if I think that will give them a better chance in life? Why should I pay more tax to support the low paid or single mothers, or people that can't be arsed to work. Why when I die, should my estate be taxed again?

If I can do it, anyone can do it. Anyone who is prepared to work hard and put in the hours, and thats where most Labour supporters falter.

I am glad you have done well for yourself and hard work is a much under rated commodity. However are you saying all, or even most, Labour supporters do not work hard? That all Tories do work hard? This is what you imply and you know that it is a ridiculous thing to say.

Whether you should support those less fortunate than you is an issue that goes to the heart of the left v right debate. I think that you will continue to have your views and I will continue to have mine so will not argue with you on those points, we will be here for months.

 

[DerbyGull]

What should be as fair as possible is the chance that everyone gets to make the most from their life (i.e. their education).

This.

I f***ed up at school, but that had alot to do with me having ADHD (Attenton Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder), in a nutshell being a crazy kid who ran all over the classroom, wound up the teachers, never sat still, and found it impossible to concentrate, i left school with NO gcse's. Luckily i had the backing of a good family and instead of becoming a statistic i did the 'labour invented' access course and am now about to do the 3rd year of a degree in crime and justice. And at 28 i feel that i am indebted to Labour for giving me that second chance, hence my loyalties to them. I can't help but feel i never would have got that chance under tories.

I mean record numbers of students at uni giving more people from lesser backgrounds a chance is a great thing and i am very grateful to labour.

 

[Mr Everyone]

Ahhh - that explains a lot.

As a private sector worker I want equality and that means I want equal pension rights as you - be it that your pension is downgraded or mine upgrade but let's at least make it equal.

Also, your wages ARE paid for by successful businessmen - it's called TAX !!! Tell you what, let's stop the busnessmen scum from earning loads of money and see how quickly there's not enough money to pay the armies of public servants !

Living up to your label, I'm salaried. You are now writing on here for the sake of arguing, Westdene.

 

[simmo]

And there you have just summed up a typical Labour supporter.

ENVY

Why should people that work hard under Richard Branson obtain the same pay/recognised as him?? He HANDED them the job. He built the company. He takes the risks.

Why shoulkd a tea lady, a good anyone can do (if your a lady) get paid the same as the chief ex. Does she generate the same profits as the bosses. Does she have the same responabilites as the bosses.

That is the most stupid argument I have ever seen on NSC, and its got good competition.

But as I say, summed up in one word.. ENVY

Yep that is one word that sums up left wing and Labour supporting people perfectly envy. They are envious of people whom they percieve to be better than them and try to drag them down to their level. Wheras the word that sums up right wing (Conservative) thinkers is aspiration. They aspire to better themselves and are not envious of those that they percieve are better than them, but strive to reach that level themselves.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Living up to your label, I'm salaried. You are now writing on here for the sake of arguing, Westdene.

Now you're spliting hairs - so you don't get wages rather a salary. You'll still get pension rights that are far in excess of most private sector employees.

 

[Mr Everyone]

Yep that is one word that sums up left wing and Labour supporting people perfectly envy. They are envious of people whom they percieve to be better than them and try to drag them down to their level. Wheras the word that sums up right wing (Conservative) thinkers is aspiration. They aspire to better themselves and are not envious of those that they percieve are better than them, but strive to reach that level themselves.

Let's not generalise here!!

 

[London Calling]

To an extent this is true. At the same time though the gap between rich and poor has increased during Labour's four parliaments. This I am afraid is the true shame of the New Labour project. I say this as a Labour supporter in general, although I voted Green at this election.

and all dow to the richest 1% becoming much richer...............

 

[Mr Everyone]

Now you're spliting hairs - so you don't get wages rather a salary. You'll still get pension rights that are far in excess of most private sector employees.

I'm proving a point about some right wing thinker's deluded beliefs that we live in a classless society. Salary? Wage? Tell me the difference..

 

[simmo]

Let's not generalise here!!

Why do the left always go on about Cameron going to Eton then?

Utterly irrelevant to whether he can do the job and in my opinion a good thing as he went to a top school. I would like a child of mine to go there.

Pray tell why it is an important issue to the left, if it isn't envy.

 

[London Calling]

back to the topic.

Labour Party getting the largest number increases in its membership - since the coalitioned formed.

 

[DerbyGull]

TAX !!!

The binmen pay it too you know.

 

[pork pie]

This.

I f***ed up at school, but that had alot to do with me having ADHD (Attenton Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder), in a nutshell being a crazy kid who ran all over the classroom, wound up the teachers, never sat still, and found it impossible to concentrate, i left school with NO gcse's. Luckily i had the backing of a good family and instead of becoming a statistic i did the 'labour invented' access course and am now about to do the 3rd year of a degree in crime and justice. And at 28 i feel that i am indebted to Labour for giving me that second chance, hence my loyalties to them. I can't help but feel i never would have got that chance under tories.

I mean record numbers of students at uni giving more people from lesser backgrounds a chance is a great thing and i am very grateful to labour.

As I have said elsewhere, my views are based upon my own experience, clearly yours are based upon your own. At what point did I suggest that the benefit of educational opportunities should be limited to age? I fully support your being given the chance to improve your lot, and being given the chance you have.

In all honesty, I do have a bit of a problem with come of the dross that now goes to university, and the courses they do. I am sure that many would be better served by some type of vocational training.

One could argue that the social concience of the Lib-dems, will have a very positive effect on this new Government's policies, that maybe would not have been there under a pure Conservative one.

 

[London Calling]

Why do the left always go on about Cameron going to Eton then?

Utterly irrelevant to whether he can do the job and in my opinion a good thing as he went to a top school. I would like a child of mine to go there.

Pray tell why it is an important issue to the left, if it isn't envy.

Simmo, you can't ignore the fact he went to Eton, the Eton - Oxford thing, has developed and provided him with an unique education and confidence.

The contacts, the old boy network of the establishment, does no good for our country, but propels contacts into nice little earners.

However, I look forward to the days, whe our best state schools are as good as Roedean, Harrow and Eton.

And our worst state schools are as good as our best.