Devolution Referendum

[Lady Whistledown]

Can't let a Scottish thread go by without re-posting this

 

[Nibble]

It concerns me that Scottish Independance will strengthen the Tory position in England but other than that I have no real problem with it. However I think the Scottish will have a number of problems if they vote Yes.

 

[User removed 4]

Hmm. Well yes, both those countries proved to be controversial memberships but under the guidelines of the New Commonwealth they were deemed an exceptional case. I can only assume they share enough common values to qualify. Things change I suppose. I mean, it used to be called The British Commonwealth but quite rightly this was changed .

Common values ?? for fucks sake you clown , less than 20 years ago the hutus and tutsis were chopping each other into little lumps , with over half a million people killed , common values , fucks sake that takes the biscuit

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

If Scotland does achieve independence, then no Scots should be allowed to run for public office in England, either at National or local government levels, or for that matter hold office in any English Trade Union. As most Scots in England are either Politicians, Union Leaders or Tramps, this will have the effect of getting rid of a lot of them.

 

[Nibble]

Common values ?? for fucks sake you clown , less than 20 years ago the hutus and tutsis were chopping each other into little lumps , with over half a million people killed , common values , fucks sake that takes the biscuit

Sorry Bushy but they joined and in joining agreed upon a set of common principles. You can giggle away all you like but they would have had to agree to these before membership was granted. I genuinely despair of you.

 

[User removed 4]

I really shouldn't bother but I think it tells more about Commander that that was his impression of them than it does about them. I would have to meet 100% of the Ugandan population (I'm assuming Commander met 100% of them to be able to make this statement) and I would have to visit the country myself to draw my own judgement. However, I seriously doubt that the opinion you have of them is especially rounded as you live in one part of the UK, as we all do. Although Commander has at least been there so he is immediately more qualified than either you or I to comment.

So in one breath you " really shouldn't bother " , insinuating that you dont place a lot of value on commander's opinion, backing this up with " but I think it tells more about Commander that that was his impression of them than it does about them ", yet in the next breat you state that " Commander has at least been there so he is immediately more qualified than either you or I to comment " , doing yourself proud today aren't you ? vintage nibble

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Vote independence.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

oh dear [MENTION=5707]Nibble[/MENTION], what now ?

Flawed argument that.

[MENTION=2095]Commander[/MENTION] said that 90% of people IN Uganda were, in his opinion, worthy of your 'illiterate goatherder' description.

That doesn't automatically tally to a corresponding % of Ugandan residents in Britain, who would presumably number amongst the more upwardly-mobile and educated, amongst the Ugandan population?

[MENTION=2095]Commander[/MENTION] was there Gorilla trekking, rather than visiting Kampala University. It's quite possible that his study sample was a little narrow...

 

[Nibble]

So in one breath you " really shouldn't bother " , insinuating that you dont place a lot of value on commander's opinion, backing this up with " but I think it tells more about Commander that that was his impression of them than it does about them ", yet in the next breat you state that " Commander has at least been there so he is immediately more qualified than either you or I to comment " , doing yourself proud today aren't you ? vintage nibble

I didn't expect you to understand this. Your main problem Bushy is that you make an ignorant, bigoted statement then rather than back it up when questioned you just go a personal attack whereas if you thought about the things people were posting and tried to understand them you might start to grow and learn. But I'm not holding my breath. I think you need some quiet time so I'll leave you to it as one really can't get any sense out of you.

 

[User removed 4]

Sorry Bushy but they joined and in joining agreed upon a set of common principles. You can giggle away all you like but they would have had to agree to these before membership was granted. I genuinely despair of you.

They agreed on a set of common principles did they ? Oh well thats that then , dont know what I was worried about , they are BOUND to follow them to the letter , what an easy transition to make , genocide between tribes one minute , and peace in our time the next, step forward Nibble Chamberlain

 

[User removed 4]

Invalid argument that.

[MENTION=2095]Commander[/MENTION] said that 90% of people IN Uganda were, in his opinion, worthy of your 'illiterate goatherder' description.

That doesn't automatically tally to a corresponding % of Ugandan residents in Britain, who would presumably number amongst the more upwardly-mobile and educated, amongst the Ugandan population?

Yes , we have the CREAM of Uganda here .

 

[User removed 4]

I didn't expect you to understand this.

Its f***ing gibberish thats why

 

[simmo]

Sorry Bushy but they joined and in joining agreed upon a set of common principles. You can giggle away all you like but they would have had to agree to these before membership was granted. I genuinely despair of you.

Are these the set of common principles that are adhered to by Zimbabwe?

 

[KZNSeagull]

No , absolutely not, why should you have a say in how its spent ??Its no different from rent, nobody made you go there , your taxes are just a contribution to the services of the country YOU decided to go to , and what do you mean by this " Something, of course, that you will never experience ".

So if you pay rent, you do not expect a say in the service that the landlord provides for you? "Please come and fix the burst pipe?" "No, piss off, I am going to buy a new Ferrari instead" Is that fair? I would imagine that if the landlord were a foreign national and it happened to you, we would hear all about it on here!!

You will never experience it because you live in a country that generally does not disenfranchise people who contribute financially to the running of the country. I also suspect, but am happy to be proved wrong, that you would never think about living in a foreign country. Unless, you think you are living in one now!

Any service that you pay for should give you rights. Anyone that is paying for a government provided service, should have the right to vote how that government is made up and, therefore, how that money is spent. A basic principal of democracy, one would have thought. Certainly part of the British sense of fair play.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Yes , we have the CREAM of Uganda here .

Conditions for the general populace of Uganda are not that comfortable. I imagine quite a few people would like to escape that to some dreamed-off Western Utopia.

Who do you think will have there wherewithall and resources to achieve it? The educated, or the goatherder? How many goats do you have to herd to afford a flight from Kampala to Heathrow, exactly?

 

[Commander]

I really shouldn't bother but I think it tells more about Commander that that was his impression of them than it does about them.

Pretty much everyone I met was illiterate, and a lot of people have goats. Or the richer ones do, anyway.

I would have to meet 100% of the Ugandan population (I'm assuming Commander met 100% of them to be able to make this statement) and I would have to visit the country myself to draw my own judgement. However, I seriously doubt that the opinion you have of them is especially rounded as you live in one part of the UK, as we all do. Although Commander has at least been there so he is immediately more qualified than either you or I to comment.

I have to admit, I didn't meet all 35 million of them. I was just pointing out that as far as the Ugandan population is concerned, I didn't think 'illiterate goat herder' was that wide of the mark for the vast majority of them.

You should go and check it out for yourself, it's an incredible place. Check out this photo I took. Amazing.

 

[Nibble]

Are these the set of common principles that are adhered to by Zimbabwe?

At what point did I say any of these nations stuck to the principles? I said they would have had to agree to them and that is why they were awarded membership. Again, a little bit of concentration and a modicum of intelligence from you two boys and we could have a much more productive debate.

 

[Nibble]

Pretty much everyone I met was illiterate, and a lot of people have goats. Or the richer ones do, anyway.



I have to admit, I didn't meet all 35 million of them. I was just pointing out that as far as the Ugandan population is concerned, I didn't think 'illiterate goat herder' was that wide of the mark for the vast majority of them.

You should go and check it out for yourself, it's an incredible place. Check out this photo I took. Amazing.

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what's the point?!

 

[User removed 4]

Conditions for the general populace of Uganda are not that comfortable. I imagine quite a few people would like to escape that to some dreamed-off Western Utopia.

Who do you think will have there wherewithall and resources to achieve it? The educated, or the goatherder? How many goats do you have to herd to afford a flight from Kampala to Heathrow, exactly?

See commanders post below yours , unless you're trying to tell me that every single asylum seeker to this country is a doctor condemned to working as a cleaner ?

 

[rool]

You posted a picture of a gorilla and passed it off as a Ugandan. Yeah, haven't done your argument many favours there have you really!

That was a twisting of the situation by London Irish proportions ha ha