Devolution Referendum

[User removed 4]

So it's ok for us to take over their country and run it with essentially a giant, corrupt, corporation (the East India) but when their ancestors come here, live here for over 183 days a year and pay UKa tax they don't get a vote. As I said the situation only occurs because we had an empire.

Yes , it happened hundreds of years ago for fucks sake , what is it with the self flagellation of people like you , bad things happened in the last century, and the century before that , and they were judged by the standards of the time , get over it for fucks sake.

 

[User removed 4]

Okay let's address some of your points. You are assuming these British residents would be Illiterate Goatherders, a more racist statement I've yet to see from you yet. And my point stands If you don't like what Britian has become, why don't you leave like you suggest all people you believe to be foreign do. It may be boring Bushy but that's because you don't have a reasonable answer to it. It's not so much that I necessarily agree they should get the vote it's more your utterly predictable opinions on the matter and that you lack the ability to back any of your arguments up with anything more substantial than "This is f***ing ridiculous, Britain for the British etc etc" that I question. In my opinion if you are asked to pay tax in a country then you should get the vote in that country.

Just how many "commonwealth citizens" do you see on a day to day basis ? I see plenty , and for many of them , illiterate goathereder is an apt description.

 

[Nibble]

Yes , it happened hundreds of years ago for fucks sake , what is it with the self flagellation of people like you , bad things happened in the last century, and the century before that , and they were judged by the standards of the time , get over it for fucks sake.

I think the point of raising The Empire situation is that there are some nations in the world that don't immediately buy the "Oh it all happened last century, get over it" line of argument. Okay, Brits may want to forget it but it's legacy lives on and just because we arrogantly and rather pompously declare it "all in the past" that does not make it so for other nations.

 

[Nibble]

Just how many "commonwealth citizens" do you see on a day to day basis ? I see plenty , and for many of them , illiterate goathereder is an apt description.

I imagine I see a fair few.

I wonder what the goatherder's think of the angry white man who no like dark people?

 

[KZNSeagull]

If I lived in one of these commonwealth countries would I be able to vote there?

Depends on the rules in that country. Permanent Residence holders in South Africa, for example, are NOT currently allowed to vote in a South African general election. They were originally, but the rules were changed possibly because they did not vote for the correct party! They are still required to pay tax however.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with "foreign" residents in a country that pay tax having a vote. No taxation without representation and all that.

 

[User removed 4]

So would you say you are on the fence?

I do agree though.

 

[User removed 4]

Depends on the rules in that country. Permanent Residence holders in South Africa, for example, are NOT currently allowed to vote in a South African general election. They were originally, but the rules were changed possibly because they did not vote for the correct party! They are still required to pay tax however.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with "foreign" residents in a country that pay tax having a vote. No taxation without representation and all that.

So am I correct in the assumption you were forced to go and live in a foreign country ? Or do you somewhat arrogantly assume that because you decided OF YOUR OWN VOLITION to live in south africa , and pay tax , that you should have a say in who governs what is essntially a foreign country, whether you're a resident or not.

 

[simmo]

Yes , it happened hundreds of years ago for fucks sake , what is it with the self flagellation of people like you , bad things happened in the last century, and the century before that , and they were judged by the standards of the time , get over it for fucks sake.

I concur with you, what has what happened, hundreds of years ago with Britain gaining an overseas empire, got to do with the voting rights of individuals in the UK now.

Also for the wrongs of the British empire that some people point out, there were quite a few rights in my opinion. Such as a "British" rule of law (judge/jury independant of politicians), democracy (not taken up by all, I agree), building of infrastructure roads/rail/sewerage, education/schools/universities, medicine/innoculations against disease, a common language to name but a few things that I can think of.

 

[kelownaseagull]

If I lived in one of these commonwealth countries would I be able to vote there?

My understanding is can't vote unless you become a Canadian citizen.

 

[User removed 4]

I imagine I see a fair few.

I wonder what the goatherder's think of the angry white man who no like dark people?

I'm not sure , they are usually too busy screaming into their mobile phones as if the phone was a hundred yards away instead of right in front of their mouth.

 

[Nibble]

I concur with you, what has what happened, hundreds of years ago, got to do with the voting rights of individuals in the UK now.

I genuinely thought you were joking with this line! I would say events that happened hundreds of years ago have EVERYTHING to do with how the country is run, wouldn't you?

Magna Carta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nibble]

I'm not sure , they are usually too busy screaming into their mobile phones as if the phone was a hundred yards away instead of right in front of their mouth.

I though they were illiterate goatherders, how did they get and learn how to use a phone?

 

[User removed 4]

I genuinely thought you were joking with this line! I would say events that happened hundreds of years ago have EVERYTHING to do with how the country is run, wouldn't you?

Magna Carta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you really think you are fooling anyone with this faux magna carta line ? You know full well that he is alluding to the empire and its so called legacy.

 

[User removed 4]

I though they were illiterate goatherders, how did they get and learn how to use a phone?

You think you have to be litereate to use a mobile ?

 

[Nibble]

Do you really think you are fooling anyone with this faux magna carta line ? You know full well that he is alluding to the empire and its so called legacy.

I thought that one would go over your head, I wasn't sure to post it or not. Hey ho. My point was and still is that what you dismiss as "all in the past" has a lasting legacy, both good and bad across other nations.

 

[Nibble]

You think you have to be litereate to use a mobile ?

Clearly you don't have to be to use the internet!

 

[simmo]

I genuinely thought you were joking with this line! I would say events that happened hundreds of years ago have EVERYTHING to do with how the country is run, wouldn't you?

Magna Carta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was actually refering to what happened hundreds of years ago, in respect of Britain controlling overseas lands (i.e the empire) and which I am sure is what you were well aware of! As this is what I refer to in the rest of post 88

 

[User removed 4]

I thought that one would go over your head, I wasn't sure to post it or not. Hey ho. My point was and still is that what you dismiss as "all in the past" has a lasting legacy, both good and bad across other nations.

How did it go over my head ? You're trying to use a totally unconnected event that happened in the 13th century to debunk someones argument about the empire and its legacy as far as voting rights are concerned , nibble , you're just not clever enough to do this sort of thing, leave it to someone with intelligence like [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] .

 

[KZNSeagull]

So am I correct in the assumption you were forced to go and live in a foreign country ? Or do you somewhat arrogantly assume that because you decided OF YOUR OWN VOLITION to live in south africa , and pay tax , that you should have a say in who governs what is essntially a foreign country, whether you're a resident or not.

If that government arrogantly assumes to tax my earnings, it would be nice to have a say in how that government spends my money, would it not? Something, of course, that you will never experience.

 

[User removed 4]

If that government arrogantly assumes to tax my earnings, it would be nice to have a say in how that government spends my money, would it not? Something, of course, that you will never experience.

No , absolutely not, why should you have a say in how its spent ??Its no different from rent, nobody made you go there , your taxes are just a contribution to the services of the country YOU decided to go to , and what do you mean by this " Something, of course, that you will never experience ".