The benefit was the opportunity for some kind of self reference, which is usually the case.
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Devolution Referendum
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The benefit was the opportunity for some kind of self reference, which is usually the case.
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Loadicus Trux
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This Scottish independence issue, I feel, is all about Alex Salmond, and nothing to do with what's best for Scotland. He is the leader of a country, but basically powerless, and no-one out of Scotland gives a damn about him. At the moment it looks as though he is going to suffer an embarrassing defeat, but he has overturned opinion polls before. It should be very interesting to see what he comes up with to turn public opinion, other than giving all the kids the vote, and setting the date for the election on or near the anniversary of an important battle where national fervour will be at it's height.
Read in the paper today that only Scottish people that live in Scotland are allowed to vote. If you are Scottish but at Uni elsewhere, or temporarily living in another country you have no vote in potentially the most important vote in your countries history.
Also 77,000 people who are not Scottish but live in Scotland are being allowed to vote.
Also 77,000 people who are not Scottish but live in Scotland are being allowed to vote.
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Well there are plenty of people that live here that aren't British, yet are still entitled to vote in general elections, for the record I am totally and utterly against that.Read in the paper today that only Scottish people that live in Scotland are allowed to vote. If you are Scottish but at Uni elsewhere, or temporarily living in another country you have no vote in potentially the most important vote in your countries history.
Also 77,000 people who are not Scottish but live in Scotland are being allowed to vote.
Ok to clarify, what I thought your previous thread (#55) was saying is that at present they have no direct control NOW in respect of monetry policy. Which by Scottish representation in the British parliament they do.
Off course if they voted for independence they would not have any say in the rest of Britain's monetry policy, but they would have their own monetry policy.....however, this means to me, their own currency or the Euro. A small country (population wise) on the periphery of Europe with a new currency or the Euro is not a good starting point, looking at what is going on in Greece/Ireland etc, IMO but, I am not a Scot, so I don't get a say.
It also in another way, brings up another point. If Scotland goes it alone, does Britain still exist? And if not where do the Welsh fit into all this?
No there aren't. You have to be a British Citizen to vote in a general election. If you're a British Citizen then for me you are British. EU citizens resident here can vote in EU elections, local elections and 'some' referendums. The later 2 I'll grant you are odd.
As for the Scots they really should, as stated elsewhere, be looking at the implications of being independent in one sense but not in terms of being a republic with their own currency. However I can see any campaign being dominated by party politics and petty nationalism instead. I can't imagine that's going to help your average voter decide rationally.
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The electoral comission seems to disagree with you. It's totally and utterly wrong in my opinion.
Who is eligible to vote at a UK general election? - Electoral Commission
Nibble
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British, irish and commonwealth. Seems fair to me. Not a binfest, but genuinely why don't you agree with that?
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because its a general election to decide who is going to govern BRITAIN for the BRITISH people, why on earth should someone from the commonwealth or ireland have a vote ? as it stands, someone from mozamfuckingbique can vote , on MY future, they only joined the commonwealth for the money , they were a portuguese f***ing colony for crying out loud , why , in your view should a commonwealth citizen have a say ? none of them were forced here , all came through choice , so why should they have a vote ? its f***ing lunacy, if they dont like the government policies then they can always go home. Here is a full list of who can pitch up here and after a certain period , have a vote on what goes on here , f***ing crazy.
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belize
Botswana
Brunei Darussalam
Cameroon
Canada
Cyprus*
Dominica
Fiji Islands
The Gambia
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
India
Jamaica
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta*
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
New Zealand
Nigeria
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Rwanda
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent and the
Grenadines
Samoa
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Swaziland
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
United Republic of Tanzania
Vanuatu
Zambia
Zimbabwe
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Fair enough, I looked here and it is a lot less clear Who can register to vote? - About my vote, produced by The Electoral Commission
I don't think it's wrong as much as anomalous. Essentially we appear to be reaping what we sowed when we were creating Empire in the first place.
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Well yeah but they are living here, presumably the ones that vote are living here legally and paying taxes so why should they not be permitted to have their vote in how their country of residence is run? You clearly don't like British policy, why don't you leave?
If I lived in one of these commonwealth countries would I be able to vote there?
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In answer to your first question why should they not be permitted to have their vote in how their country of residence is run? It renders the concept of citizenship and nationhood redundant, try pitching up and voting in australia without being a citizen, you'll get shortshrift, as it stands, in this country we can have an illiterate goatherder from uganda turn up and vote on the government of this country , f***ing great, you'd soon change your tune if they were all voting tory, and bore off with your fatuous " You clearly don't like British policy, why don't you leave ".
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As a white Englishman I've only experienced racism a few times, mostly from scots; there's a lot of them hate the English.
I've spoken to some of the blue faced buffoons and they say "we want freedom and independence"
"Freedom and independence from what ?"
"Errrrr... FREEDOM!"
A lot of them haven't a clue
I've spoken to some of the blue faced buffoons and they say "we want freedom and independence"
"Freedom and independence from what ?"
"Errrrr... FREEDOM!"
A lot of them haven't a clue
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Is that really the best argument you can make ? That because we used to have an empire , the last of which we left 50 odd years ago , that these people should be able to turn up here and vote on who governs this country ? Do leave off mate.
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I'm not sure , why not try a short break in downtown bulawayo and see what happens ? Or maybe a sojourn Rwanda appeals ? I know you'll get f***ed off out of it in any country with a modicum of sense.
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Okay let's address some of your points. You are assuming these British residents would be Illiterate Goatherders, a more racist statement I've yet to see from you yet. And my point stands If you don't like what Britian has become, why don't you leave like you suggest all people you believe to be foreign do. It may be boring Bushy but that's because you don't have a reasonable answer to it. It's not so much that I necessarily agree they should get the vote it's more your utterly predictable opinions on the matter and that you lack the ability to back any of your arguments up with anything more substantial than "This is f***ing ridiculous, Britain for the British etc etc" that I question. In my opinion if you are asked to pay tax in a country then you should get the vote in that country.
So it's ok for us to take over their country and run it with essentially a giant, corrupt, corporation (the East India) but when their ancestors come here, live here for over 183 days a year and pay UKa tax they don't get a vote. As I said the situation only occurs because we had an empire.
