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    [Politics] Brexit

    Out of interest, how many jobs have been lost in the UK motor manufacturing industry due to Brexit?
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    [Politics] Brexit

    Certainly I didn't expect the EU to be so aggressive in defending the new rights that Brexit has given them. for example, with this dover thing, I don't see any reason why they need to be quite so slavish to the rules. The main effect of the new rules is that Britons can only spend 90 days in...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    Benidorm is in Spain. I'm not aware that the Spanish are undermanning their customs posts or applying every rule as rigidly as possible? Or maybe they are, but no-one is going to Spain so it doesn't matter? There is no doubt that Brexit has given the French the chance to apply some new rules...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    So in principle, you would have been happy if Boris Johnson (or any other hypothetical PM) had taken us out of the EU WITHOUT a referendum?
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    [Politics] Brexit

    "What began as a purely economic union has evolved into an organisation spanning many different policy areas, from climate, environment and health to external relations and security, justice and migration. A name change from the European Economic Community to the European Union in 1993 reflected...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    The European Community is a different organisation from the European Economic Community. The EEC was never claimed to be a political union and they had to have a new treaty to create one.
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    [Politics] Brexit

    Then you get Herr Tubthumper's point about PR coming into it. Politics is such a nuanced thing in that very few of us support absolutely everything about a single party. And if the thing that we don't like (in this case, membership of the EU) is on the slate of both parties, then anti-EU...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    That's an entirely different argument for another thread, and in any case it wouldn't help because what Simster was suggesting was that even 59% of the vote should not have been enough to reverse what the politicians had done.
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    [Politics] Brexit

    Your linked report on truck drivers does say that the UK checks 100% of incoming traffic with no apparent problems, and the French check only 20%. Which makes me wonder if their boxes are undermanned. Though as that's still only referring to lorries, it may not be strictly relevant to the car...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    I'm asking questions to get data, not to find specific data. I suspect that certain people are exaggerating the time issue because they dislike Brexit and are looking for any stick to beat it with, and like in any subject under the sun, to say "isn't it appalling, checks now take 45 seconds" is...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    If it takes 60% vote to leave the EC, then it should take a 60% vote to enter it. We never had that vote. I do not like the idea that politicians can make decisions which become binding unless a super-majority of people oppose them; democracy is one-person one-vote and that must not be weakened.
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    [Politics] Brexit

    Interesting, thanks, but that's lorry drivers. How long did it typically take to check car drivers' and passengers' passports? I haven't been via Dover for years, but the Channel Tunnel at St Pancras certainly had proper checks per-Brexit.
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    [Politics] Brexit

    If you were talking about a second vote, that would be fair enough. The same would apply if Scotland want a second referendum or if there was a referendum on rejoining the EU. But this was the first vote on EU membership, and as such the idea that we should remain a member without even a...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    How long did passport checks take before Brexit? I think the 45 seconds quoted is the total time, not the specific extra tme for stamping the passport. How long did it used to take for a car to roll up to the passport control, have the 2 occupants' passports checked, and drive away to be...
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    [Other Sport] A racist remark

    Bernard Manning wasn't on mainstream TV in the seventies either, I don;t think. But I agree that without context we don't know how racist this was. If we look at seventies TV, we have at one end Alf Garnett, at the other end Private walker calling Private Fraser "Taffy". It's easier to be...
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    [Other Sport] A racist remark

    Pom is a name given by Australians to Brits, so it can't mean Prisoner of His Majesty because that's the Australians.
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    [Politics] Brexit

    I wasn't even aware that the UK had customs inspectors at Calais. If the French have built better facilities for UK customs agents than we have for them, then that's a point for the French.
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    [Politics] Brexit

    You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see...
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    [Politics] Brexit

    Out of interest, we still import a lot more from the EU than we export to it. Are there equivalent queues of lorries overseas, or are (incredibly!) our passport control somehow better at getting people into the country than the various EU equivalents?
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    [Politics] Brexit

    There are two principles at stake here. One is the principle of accepting the democratic mandate and working with it; the other is the principle of joining the EU. Maybe she places a higher value on democracy than on EU membership? After all, the likes of Michael Foot, Tony Benn, and Barbara...

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