[Politics] Brexit

[dsr-burnley]

Don't know about more effective, more not bothering. My experience is not the same due to CTA. I have traveled between UK and Ireland at least a dozen times in last two years - my passport, and those of everyone else on flight, have been checked everytime in Dublin and Shannon (and I travel on an EU passport). Checks have only taken place once when entering UK. And in no way are the flights filled purely with British and Irish travellers.

You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see why both sides couldn't mutually agree to have an informal low-bureaucracy regimelike they did when in the EU.

This is nothing to do with Brexit. If it was, there would have to be the same checks between Britain and Ireland, and there aren't. If the French are piling more checks on holidaymakers, it's a French decision.

 

[mr sheen]

You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see why both sides couldn't mutually agree to have an informal low-bureaucracy regimelike they did when in the EU.

This is nothing to do with Brexit. If it was, there would have to be the same checks between Britain and Ireland, and there aren't. If the French are piling more checks on holidaymakers, it's a French decision.

Like I said, CTA. Different. A country is entitled to control it's borders I guess, sovreignity the call it.....

 

[Mackenzie]

Guys, I left the Brexit thread yonks ago for the same reason, this just goes round in circles.
I have said my piece above and I have always said there will be bumps in the road and it will always be better in the future.
I have always said the remainder press will keep making dramas from nothing and their followers will be gullible to believe 100% of it.


Yes and people do need to get over it, it's done now.

Britain will move forward in the meantime there will be the unacceptables still kicking and screaming and slowing up the progress.

So I won't be spending my time on this thread, anymore.

”Better in the future”


Really? In what way?

Brexit has been nothing but bad news since it was first mooted by that MASSIVE WANKER Farage, we’ve had zero benefit from it and it’s caused problem after problem. It was a huge mistake to call that referendum and leave such an important decision to a general population that were being lied to by both sides of the argument. Yes we have to get on with it, but it’s bloody stupid.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see why both sides couldn't mutually agree to have an informal low-bureaucracy regimelike they did when in the EU.

This is nothing to do with Brexit. If it was, there would have to be the same checks between Britain and Ireland, and there aren't. If the French are piling more checks on holidaymakers, it's a French decision.

You obviously didn't read the earlier posts explaining it to you, so I will try once more, very slowly

It is not a choice of Britain to have no import controls 'because they are not needed'.
These are the exact same Import controls sold as 'Taking Back Control' to the somewhat naïve and made up a significant part of the Brexit Agreement

The Government are incapable of putting in place the checks to control our border without decimating the supermarket shelves and putting the costs of our ever increasing Imports up still further, whilst leaving Britain open to various smuggling, VAT Tax evasion, risk of agricultural and animal diseases etc etc

And there should be the same checks between NI and Britain, it's called the Northern Ireland Protocol and the Government are incapable of implementing that either (after proposing, negotiating and signing it off), breaking International Law in the process. Another significant part of the Brexit Agreement

That's about as simple as I can make it

 

[Eric the meek]

Out of interest, we still import a lot more from the EU than we export to it. Are there equivalent queues of lorries overseas, or are (incredibly!) our passport control somehow better at getting people into the country than the various EU equivalents?

Are you inventing imaginary scenarios, failing to support them with any evidence, and using them to support your argument? This is excellent Brexiteering if I may say so.

According to the MP for Calais, their port is 3-4 times as large as Dover. I think it's called infrastructure investment. You know, forward planning - that kind of thing.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well, to be fair to Spain it does have it’s own problems with people trying to get there without money…….so good for them in coming up with a solution.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/24/hundreds-of-migrants-storm-border-fence-in-spains-melilla

Maybe there’s a lesson to be learnt by the U.K. from these Spanish practices?

I thought this was just a UK issue?

 

[beorhthelm]

You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see why both sides couldn't mutually agree to have an informal low-bureaucracy regimelike they did when in the EU.

This is nothing to do with Brexit. If it was, there would have to be the same checks between Britain and Ireland, and there aren't. If the French are piling more checks on holidaymakers, it's a French decision.

comparison with Ireland are invalid because of special rules from CTA. better comparison would be whats happening on ships to Belgium, Netherlands or Germany. we'll not hear about them, no doubt they are checking and stamping passport as required but no delay as much lower traffic. as i said early, no delays at Calais this morning either. there is a low bureacracy process coming in form of EES, electronic stamping passports will be quicker.

 

[um bongo molongo]

A couple of interesting opinion polls here. They suggest that the majority people are not happy with the results and effects of Brexit.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...a-positive-or-negative-impact-on-the-country/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...pean-union-or-stay-out-of-the-european-union/

One thing is for sure, the whole thing has been handled appallingly from start to finish.

But still 1 in 3 thinks it’s had a ‘very’ or ‘fairly’ positive impact. There’s a particular type of individual who will never accept they were wrong on this (including some on this thread), and I don’t see how it resolves itself. As others have said, a centrist party proposing being part of the Single market, but not of the EU, OUGHT to be a sensible middle ground. You retain ‘sovereignty’ (whatever that really means in a globalised world ruled by large superpowers), but accept that the fanciful idea that you can just trade on your own rules without creating massive barriers (regulatory and bureaucratic) was a mirage. But as far as I can tell, no major political party is offering that, and too many voters are too pig headed to see how badly it’s going anyway.

 

[Eric the meek]

'Holidaymakers travel overnight to make Channel crossings as drivers told to brace for more 'severe' delays'

https://news.sky.com/story/roads-to...g-normally-after-days-of-long-queues-12657995

 

[KZNSeagull]

There's no need for another referendum. This is what'll happen: if we get political change in 2024, we will rejoin the single market and customs union, plus we will repeal the ending of freedom of movement and it will be re-instated. Problem solved

We can do all that as EU non members, like Switzerland. It will upset the Brexit idealogues, but idealogues don't care about economic harm or people waiting for days in borders queues so why should their opinions count?

Really? That's not what SKS said on the 4th July. “With Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union. We will not return to freedom of movement to create short-term fixes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/04/how-keir-starmer-hopes-to-make-brexit-work

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see why both sides couldn't mutually agree to have an informal low-bureaucracy regimelike they did when in the EU.

This is nothing to do with Brexit. If it was, there would have to be the same checks between Britain and Ireland, and there aren't. If the French are piling more checks on holidaymakers, it's a French decision.

The 90 days applies to all 27 countries not just France. If someone has to go to Ireland or Europe for work, and then want to go on holiday to Spain, France or Greece etc, that is all included in the 90/180.
This is why passports are being stamped now.

 

[Baldseagull]

There is an alternative. Obviously the majority on this board are in favour of joining a political union, partly in order to make travel to France easier. But what of those of us who like to visit America? Is there any likelihood of joining a political union with the USA, so that I won't have to queue up at the airport? Or would that be a nonsensical suggestion based on a stupid premise, like the EU one is?

As you said "partly" a reason for being in the EU, but you don't need to be in the EU to have simpler travel and customs arrangements, there was a choice made to leave the single market and customs union and not negotiate an alternative method of customs alignment, and full access to the single market.

A political union with the USA would make us the 51st State of the US, it would be beneficial in some ways, especially if you would like to live and work elsewhere in the US, or visit other states regularly. Not really a similar entity to the EU in structure at all, and even if the EU became a federal Government, it would not have such a weird electoral system that weakened a persons vote because they lived in a populous state, or have just a two party system.

 

[Springal]

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[BadFish]

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#projectfear

 

[Eric the meek]

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#ovenready

(He got that bit right - thousands of motorists and lorry drivers, roasting in their vehicles).

 

[razer]

I entered Portugal a week ago via Faro airport. The last time I looked Portugal was still in the EU and yet I was waved through customs by a smiling customs officer who took a cursory glance at my passport n the way through. Contrary to popular NSC belief no passport stamping took place. It was an absolute breeze.

And I have been led to believe that an EU rule covers every EU member state. Maybe I read it wrong.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I entered Portugal a week ago via Faro airport. The last time I looked Portugal was still in the EU and yet I was waved through customs by a smiling customs officer who took a cursory glance at my passport n the way through. Contrary to popular NSC belief no passport stamping took place. It was an absolute breeze.

And I have been led to believe that an EU rule covers every EU member state. Maybe I read it wrong.

You did not read it wrong. You should have asked them to stamp your passport to avoid possible problems further down the line.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/wha...assport-stamps-important-you-holiday-24102129

 

[Baldseagull]

We don't implement the checks we should, because it would be expensive and embarrassing for the delays it would cause to do so.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

You're certainly correct that this isn't the Brexit a lot of Leave voters voted for, but it is definitely the Brexit that Remain voters voted against

Sums it up perfectly [emoji106]


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[Baldseagull]

You mean that the French are making checks that the British have decided aren't needed? That's my experience too. After all, the damage caused to the French economy or French society from the risk of people stopping more than 90 days, seems to be remote. Not worth the palaver. I don't see why both sides couldn't mutually agree to have an informal low-bureaucracy regimelike they did when in the EU.

This is nothing to do with Brexit. If it was, there would have to be the same checks between Britain and Ireland, and there aren't. If the French are piling more checks on holidaymakers, it's a French decision.

The EU requires them to ensure that appropriate duties are paid, quota quantities recorded, etc. because this is what protects EU manufacturers from being undercu by less regulated economies, and also contributes to the funds of the EU. It would be interesting to see the comparison of duties paid to the EU on UK imports into it, v what EU contributions would be by GDPP minus the UK rebate, and funding from EU for UK farmers and other monies paid in from EU funds for UK.