Just been posted on the Amex North Stand's facebook page

[daveybgtt]

Am I the only person capable of clicking that little red X in the top corner of the screen? If you don't like something, this magical button will make all of your troubles disappear! Maybe some of you should try it sometime, close that porn window, clear your browser history and power down your PC (or mac) and go outside.

You have not been charged for this information.

 

[macky]

Which throws up a sub-debate to all this - should people be forced to conform to certain ideas i.e that homosexualality is a good thing.

Liberals tend to use the word diversity to describe an all inclusive attitude in which everyone is welcome except for people who don't agree with them. True diversity would allow homophobic and racist people to air their views in public.

Good post I dont think I'm either homophobic or a racist But why cant people airtheir views As long as they are'nt preaching violence Why are'nt people free to say if they dont like something ?

 

[Billy the Fish]

Kids that start with the racist/homophobic abuse could EASILY end up doing something terrible if they're not stopped at an early age. I think that what Severnside and others have done is absolutely 100% correct and justified.

This is where we will always disagree. I personally think that statement is complete nonsense, most people will harbour some kind of views during adolesence which they change as they grow up. There is not correlation between making comments on twitter and physically harming someone later in life. If you develop into the latter it would be regardless of some throw away comments as a child.

It's interesting that alot of the people who are saying the police should be involved also say that they've never done anything bad to anyone of harboured any unpalatable views. I cannot admit to that, I've done and thought some stuff as a teenager which I'm not proud of, but as I've grown up I can see now that I was just a stupid kid and learnt for myself through experience that it's better to live and let live. I didn't need PC plod coming round my house and possibly f*** up my chances later in life with a police record.

This obviously isn't the case for everyone, as severnside's post points out, but the trick is to use your energy on the cases that will make a difference - not on the trivial utterances of a 15 year old muppet who has seen too many danny dyer programs on bravo.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

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It's interesting that alot of the people who are saying the police should be involved also say that they've never done anything bad to anyone of harboured any unpalatable views. I cannot admit to that, I've done and thought some stuff as a teenager which I'm not proud of, but as I've grown up I can see now that I was just a stupid kid and learnt for myself through experience that it's better to live and let live. I didn't need PC plod coming round my house and possibly f*** up my chances later in life with a police record.

This obviously isn't the case for everyone, as severnside's post points out, but the trick is to use your energy on the cases that will make a difference - not on the trivial utterances of a 15 year old muppet who has seen too many danny dyer programs on bravo.

The "teach him a lesson" lobby who never sing at football, never want to hear anyone else singing nasty songs, who have never uttered a harsh word, held no stupid or bigoted views as teenagers...what world they of tense excitement they must inhabit.

Incidentally the chap who accused me of category c hooliganism...I have reported you to the police for malicious slander.

 

[Aadam]

In which case I apologise to Aadam and retract my last statement.

Bozza, you usually say you haven't got time to check every post and only see stuff after it's been reported hence me thinking I'd been reported. I'm well aware my response would result in another infraction, think the first one was pretty lame to be honest - there's worse on here every day

No worries. No harm done.

 

[El Presidente]

This is where we will always disagree. I personally think that statement is complete nonsense, most people will harbour some kind of views during adolesence which they change as they grow up. There is not correlation between making comments on twitter and physically harming someone later in life. If you develop into the latter it would be regardless of some throw away comments as a child.

It's interesting that alot of the people who are saying the police should be involved also say that they've never done anything bad to anyone of harboured any unpalatable views. I cannot admit to that, I've done and thought some stuff as a teenager which I'm not proud of, but as I've grown up I can see now that I was just a stupid kid and learnt for myself through experience that it's better to live and let live. I didn't need PC plod coming round my house and possibly f*** up my chances later in life with a police record.

This obviously isn't the case for everyone, as severnside's post points out, but the trick is to use your energy on the cases that will make a difference - not on the trivial utterances of a 15 year old muppet who has seen too many danny dyer programs on bravo.

I'm sorry Billy, a sense of perspective is NOT welcome on NSC,

 

[Barn Door Billy]

Yes, he is just a kid. Yes, he is acting billy big bollocks behind a keyboard because he hasn't got the intelligence or the emotional maturity to say anything with any value. And no, he hasn't made a direct threat to an individual person, nor even one he is realistically going to carry out, he's just trying to look big in front of his mates. But the point is that going unpunished for behaviour like that only sends the message that what he's doing is acceptable. That spouting vile homophobia and using the crudest of language like it's going out of fashion is something that nobody is going to object to or pull him up on. And it IS a slippery slope - perhaps not for this individual kid, who is just a weedy little gobshite trying to get some cool points off his equally pathetic little mates - but as a stock example of those with this sort of tendency, whether racist or homophobic or whatever.

Some WILL escalate this sort of keyboard warrior behaviour into verbal threats in person. Some of those will manifest their hatred physically in some way. And unless every person who steps over a line, whether a gobby kid or not, is held to account by everyone else as a whole and told their behaviour is unacceptable, what is to stop them carrying on ad infinitum? The boy is clearly not that bright and I think it's sad that there are a new generation of racists and homophobes and bigots who are growing up with such backward views. From older generations there is a degree of leeway due to changing times and perspectives etc, but when a 14 or 15 year old kid makes a bigoted comment, a kid who has grown up in the 21st century when equality is widespread and difference is accepted and even celebrated, I think big questions need to be asked about how they come to believe what they do.
In this case, is it worth him being expelled, or imprisoned, or 'Jamied'? No, absolutely not. But he deserves a right bollocking off a teacher or a parent and a scare from a copper having a chat with him if necessary. Whatever it takes to wind his chirpy little neck in and come to understand that actions have consequences, and if you can't be trusted to act responsibly and respectfully, whether in the real world or online, then the world is gonna come down on you like a ton of bricks. I'd rather he get a visit from Darren or whoever and have him stop shooting his mouth off thinking he's invincible, than grow up to be a homophobic adult who batters someone in the street because they're wearing pink or something.

Well said. Good post.

 

[Arthur]

I didn't make the law but it was made because there is a large section of society that have suffered discrimination, pain and even death because of their colour or sexuality. That is a reality and why it is unacceptable. I haven't reported this person but I can understand why he was reported. He'll only get a caution at his age, surely, so the over top reaction from the 'don't grass him up brigade' can rest easy.

Oh boo f***ing hoo. I'm sure no one has been killed by a little oik writing on their twitter page and if any of you were offended by his comments then I suggest you switch off your computer and telly and radio, stop reading the papers and draw the curtains and never leave your front door because it's a big nasty world out there full of horrible 15 year olds.

Ignoring this 12/15 year old case... I was talking in more general terms. You think it is OK (within reason), not to report someone for a crime? Where do you draw the line? What crimes earn the green light for you and what crosses the line?

It's a common sense call. But ultimately why should or would you want to do the polices job for them?

So you see someone weaving all over the road looking like they may have been drinking. You wouldn't report them to the OB? Wouldn't want to be a grass would you.

Do you really need me to answer that? Oh course I wouldn't neither would any normal person. As I said above why should I being doing the job the police are paid to do. If I walked passed a house and from an open window I heard someone say "cor I could really go for a pizza" I wouldn't go up Dominos for them!

What goes around comes around so those of you who went running off to Balkham better hope there aren't aload of do-gooders about next time you do something daft.

 

[Billy the Fish]

No worries. No harm done.

Well in, we're all friends here really

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It's a common sense call. But ultimately why should or would you want to do the polices job for them?

Do you really need me to answer that? Oh course I wouldn't neither would any normal person. As I said above why should I being doing the job the police are paid to do. If I walked passed a house and from an open window I heard someone say "cor I could really go for a pizza" I wouldn't go up Dominos for them!

You seriously wouldn't report a drink driver ?? Well I hope that your children ( if you have any ) or any family member doesn't get killed by a drink driver ! It's not doing the job of the police - it's being a sensible and responsible citizen. Would you not ring the police if you saw a frail old lady being mugged ?

I'll do the police's job for them because I want to live in a safe society - drink drivers and muggers do not help provide that !

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh boo f***ing hoo. I'm sure no one has been killed by a little oik writing on their twitter page and if any of you were offended by his comments then I suggest you switch off your computer and telly and radio, stop reading the papers and draw the curtains and never leave your front door because it's a big nasty world out there full of horrible 15 year olds.

That post says far more about you than it does me. Fwiw, I am a qualified youth worker and have worked with many horrible 15 year olds.

 

[Arthur]

You seriously wouldn't report a drink driver ?? Well I hope that your children ( if you have any ) or any family member doesn't get killed by a drink driver ! It's not doing the job of the police - it's being a sensible and responsible citizen.

Fingers crossed eh!

Would you not ring the police if you saw a frail old lady being mugged ?

If I saw an old lady getting mugged I'd do a damn sight more than call the police.

I'll do the police's job for them because I want to live in a safe society - drink drivers and muggers do not help provide that !

So if you saw an old lady being mugged would you call the police and hope the mugger hung around and until the law turned up?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So if you saw an old lady being mugged would you call the police and hope the mugger hung around and until the law turned up?

I'd try to deal with him AND call the police.

 

[Arthur]

That post says far more about you than it does me. Fwiw, I am a qualified youth worker and have worked with many horrible 15 year olds.

As a qualified youth worker do you think this little oik in question deserves a knock on the door from PC Plod for calling someone who, I don't know, but had probably wound him up in the first place, a gay **** (or what ever it was he said) from behind his computer or do you think as a qualified youth worker there would have been a better way of dealing with it?

 

[Arthur]

I'd try to deal with him AND call the police.

My hero!

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

As a qualified youth worker do you think this little oik in question deserves a knock on the door from PC Plod for calling someone who, I don't know, but had probably wound him up in the first place, a gay **** (or what ever it was he said) from behind his computer or do you think as a qualified youth worker there would have been a better way of dealing with it?

Get the guitar out...kumbayah m'lord kumbayah...

 

[severnside gull]

It's interesting that alot of the people who are saying the police should be involved also say that they've never done anything bad to anyone of harboured any unpalatable views. I cannot admit to that, I've done and thought some stuff as a teenager which I'm not proud of, but as I've grown up I can see now that I was just a stupid kid and learnt for myself through experience that it's better to live and let live. I didn't need PC plod coming round my house and possibly f*** up my chances later in life with a police record.

This obviously isn't the case for everyone, as severnside's post points out, but the trick is to use your energy on the cases that will make a difference - not on the trivial utterances of a 15 year old muppet who has seen too many danny dyer programs on bravo.

Please don't suggest that I have made myself to be Mr Perfect because I don't abuse opposing fans at a football match. I have my share of "history". But I also have a code by which I try to live my life. It is a code born of upbringing, religion, education and guidance (including having recieved advice from one of her majesty's constabulary in my youth). I have been fortunate to have worked for elements of my commmunity throughout my career. I live within that community and I owe that community a sense of responsibility to contribute to its wellbeing. The internet widens aspects of my community but it doesn't change my code of ethics. It is clearly an area on which we are diametrically opposed - which is not to say that I think you have no sense of responsibility to your community but rather that you have a different value-set and tolerance of what is acceptable and desirable within that community. I am sure that we would get on very well in person as members of the Albion community although it might be interesting to see how each reacted to a spotty little South London oik swearing in our faces; calling us gay because of the football club we happen to support; and threatening to kill us

 

[Arthur]

Get the guitar out...kumbayah m'lord kumbayah...

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Please don't suggest that I have made myself to be Mr Perfect because I don't abuse opposing fans at a football match. I have my share of "history". But I also have a code by which I try to live my life. It is a code born of upbringing, religion, education and guidance (including having recieved advice from one of her majesty's constabulary in my youth). I have been fortunate to have worked for elements of my commmunity throughout my career. I live within that community and I owe that community a sense of responsibility to contribute to its wellbeing. The internet widens aspects of my community but it doesn't change my code of ethics. It is clearly an area on which we are diametrically opposed - which is not to say that I think you have no sense of responsibility to your community but rather that you have a different value-set and tolerance of what is acceptable and desirable within that community. I am sure that we would get on very well in person as members of the Albion community although it might be interesting to see how each reacted to a spotty little South London oik swearing in our faces; calling us gay because of the football club we happen to support; and threatening to kill us

It is fortunate that your moral code and a stern talking to by a ruddy faced copper in relation to some youthful misdemeanour has prevented you from descending into, what would otherwise have been, a life of homophobic hatred and possibly murder of innocent fans of other clubs.

It is just as well that whatever mistake you made as a youngster was reported immediately to the CID so you could be stopped from your murderous hatred...or maybe you were brought up in a time where your youthful opportunities to access Danny Dyer and Facebook were limited so no one found out what a bellend you were at fifteen?

I remember well the taunts of Spastic and Bender being hurled about at school as well as pulling stupid faces and shouting "joey deacon" at each other....thankfully the adults didn't hear what was going on and therefore we were allowed to realise for ourselves that that was a stupid puerile thing to do before PC plod came to slap a hate crime warrant on us.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

As a qualified youth worker do you think this little oik in question deserves a knock on the door from PC Plod for calling someone who, I don't know, but had probably wound him up in the first place, a gay **** (or what ever it was he said) from behind his computer or do you think as a qualified youth worker there would have been a better way of dealing with it?

PC Plod doesn't always charge the 'little oik', but judges the situation, sometimes giving a stern word is enough. The racist that racially abused Brett Mendoza recently on Twitter didn't get charged but did find himself banned from Ipswich football club. There are many ways of dealing with offences which don't necessarily mean a 15 year old getting locked up or getting a criminal record as many here seem to think.