Fact Alert: Our Manager Is Rubbish

[unnameable]

Weird, he seems to be being slagged off for his coaching skills on here, where his managerial skills were once being praised 'sorted Adam El-Abd's problems out', 'got a good team spirit going' etc.

I have always praised Wilkins's ability as a coach. I have always doubted his ability as a manager. As a coach, Wilkins has innovative ideas. The problem is that he is implementing those ideas when the team is not strong enough to sustain them. At the moment, because the margin of error is so small, the present manager's ideas are a luxury that BHA cannot afford. We have a team of rookies trying to play total football and losing. A more pragmatic approach, as we saw when McGhee was at the helm, would bring greater rewards. When Wilkins coached the youth team, he had the luxury of experimenting. He does not have that luxury now.

 

[Yorkie]

He didn't put it very well, but it isn't a very Christian thing to do to wish for someone to lose their job really?

Just to put some information into this thread. If Wilkins was asked to stand down as a manager, he will not lose his job. He has a similar offer to Martin Hinshelwood and would remain at the club (possibly back as youth coach but I'm not certain about the exact role)

 

[byf]

Just to put some information into this thread. If Wilkins was asked to stand down as a manager, he will not lose his job. He has a similar offer to Martin Hinshelwood and would remain at the club (possibly back as youth coach but I'm not certain about the exact role)

Oh thats not as bad.....For all the hard work he has and is putting in now.....he deserves some role at the club.

We are good like that though..we defo look after the staff...which cant be said for all clubs.

Just as long as it wasnt part of the main set-up imho. If he does not make it as manager it wouldnt be too fair on the new boss if he had the old one looking over his shoulder.

 

[portslade seagull]

But it is 2 this season.

Ok silent now put Mcghee in the same situation..would you be calling for his head

 

[NMH]

I love this thread - lots of chewy words for you people to masticate later, when you have to eat them all.

 

[portslade seagull]

That is probably true, BUT, McGhee by the end of his tenure here was no longer the same manager(metaphorically speaking) that kept us up in the Championship, he was jaded after player bust ups and the inability to find new players.

Yes but most of his best players were sold to keep the Falmer legal case going as well as the club and bugger all money was given to him to get any replacements

 

[byf]

When the fans last season were going mental for mcghee to go....we realistically should have had four wins under our belt....

We tore forest apart in the first half at times at the city ground....performance wise was ok the first few months....Wilkins is hardly getting performances or results...worrying indeed.

 

[Silent Bob]

Just to put some information into this thread. If Wilkins was asked to stand down as a manager, he will not lose his job. He has a similar offer to Martin Hinshelwood and would remain at the club (possibly back as youth coach but I'm not certain about the exact role)

The thing is though, if it does come to that he wouldn't need to go back to doing OUR youth, he could almost certainly move on and get a job with a bigger club.

 

[vulture]

Just to put some information into this thread. If Wilkins was asked to stand down as a manager, he will not lose his job. He has a similar offer to Martin Hinshelwood and would remain at the club (possibly back as youth coach but I'm not certain about the exact role)

maybe we have another manager lined up

 

[portslade seagull]

Alex Ferguson probably wouldn't have signed Turienzo though.

To be honest people arguing McGhee should still be here is just ridiculous. He had to go, it was obvious, and if you couldn't see that then it hardly adds weight to your arguments against Wilkins. Added to the fact that some seem to want him out purely because he's NOT McGhee.

NO DICK KNIGHT DID !!!!!!! you are such a waster

 

[The-Libertine]

can't we sack him for wearing something that looks too much like a tank-top ?

 

[Silent Bob]

NO DICK KNIGHT DID !!!!!!! you are such a waster

Did Dick Knight also sign Molango, Loft, Santos etc? Presumably McGhee was only responsible for the good signings?

Whatever else I think about McGhee I don't think he was anyone's toady. And if Dick Knight DID sign Turienzo against his wishes maybe he should have grown a set?

Anyway I'm not really sure what this has to do with the subject at hand...

 

[Basil Fawlty]

On Saturday performance, Wilkins looked totally out of his depth. I do not know and understand why we did not have an left winger on the pitch. Bas was supposed to be playing there, but he kept getting dragged into the middle. Rents was totally getting exposed down the left side. Why the hell do we keep on playing El-Bad in the midfield, when you can clearly see he isn't an professional footballer! His first touch and second touch is the worst I've ever seen, if we don't find an central midfielder this week then we'll struggle this season. Nicky Forster must be wondering why he ever decided to join us, he must be totally feeling gutted inside, that he has stepped down a division to play for an very poor side.

 

[Easy 10]

Theres nothing whatsover wrong with El Abds second touch, other than the fact that its usually a tackle.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

All of this gets us precisely nowhere.

Given what we have available would a different manager get anything better out of the players currently here? It's not as if anybody is not trying their hardest, but if the players are simply not good enough, there is a limit to what any manager can do with them.

The manager doesn't get the result, the players do (and having seen the abject excuse for defending that let in both Tranmere goals, some of them are clearly not up to it when faced with a quick agressive forward running at them). But they are the best we have.....

We might as well blame the referee for every result and stick our heads firmly in the sand like every premiershite manager who looses a game.

If we had the resources, we would have a different team and different results but we haven't, and we won't get any better unless we get phenominally lucky again (like getting Zamora on the cheap), or somebody with a huge bank balance and prepared to spend it joins the board. Both options are remote (unless someone knows different).

Without additional investment we won't go forward (and no this is not a pop at the current board who are doing the best they can under difficult conditions), but don't expect Falmer to be a sudden solution to all our problems. A decade and more of struggle won't suddenly stop just because of a new ground alone.

Overall we are at the the level that the current team deserves. Nobody likes it and everyone has ambitions to be better, but incessant negative whinging helps no-one. Every time we loose there is the same pointless poll to change the manager, the same tedious "Wilkins/current manager/delete as applicable out" demands. Every time we win/draw, suprise, surprise it all stops and we are about to go top of the league again.

Harking back to previous managers as if they were some sort of golden age is stupid, futile and destructive. What is this ongoing obsession with McGhee anyway? You might as well wish for the first golden age of of the sacred god Mullery to come back but it ain't going to happen.

Get real.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Theres nothing whatsover wrong with El Abds second touch, other than the fact that its usually a tackle.

Second half proved it. Rents took an throw-in to El-Abd, and his first touch went to far ahead off him. Then when he redeemed himself for the second touch, he totally pushed it to far infront of him and lost it to an Tranmere player. When he lost it. Tranmere were back on an break, and El-Abd was struggling to catch up and win the ball back.

 

[Yorkie]

All of this gets us precisely nowhere.

Given what we have available would a different manager get anything better out of the players currently here? It's not as if anybody is not trying their hardest, but if the players are simply not good enough, there is a limit to what any manager can do with them.

The manager doesn't get the result, the players do (and having seen the abject excuse for defending that let in both Tranmere goals, some of them are clearly not up to it when faced with a quick agressive forward running at them). But they are the best we have.....

We might as well blame the referee for every result and stick our heads firmly in the sand like every premiershite manager who looses a game.

If we had the resources, we would have a different team and different results but we haven't, and we won't get any better unless we get phenominally lucky again (like getting Zamora on the cheap), or somebody with a huge bank balance and prepared to spend it joins the board. Both options are remote (unless someone knows different).

Without additional investment we won't go forward (and no this is not a pop at the current board who are doing the best they can under difficult conditions), but don't expect Falmer to be a sudden solution to all our problems. A decade and more of struggle won't suddenly stop just because of a new ground alone.

Overall we are at the the level that the current team deserves. Nobody likes it and everyone has ambitions to be better, but incessant negative whinging helps no-one. Every time we loose there is the same pointless poll to change the manager, the same tedious "Wilkins/current manager/delete as applicable out" demands. Every time we win/draw, suprise, surprise it all stops and we are about to go top of the league again.

Harking back to previous managers as if they were some sort of golden age is stupid, futile and destructive. What is this ongoing obsession with McGhee anyway? You might as well wish for the first golden age of of the sacred god Mullery to come back but it ain't going to happen.

Get real.

I agree with a lot of your post but very often a manager coming in can get a team to have better results. I'm not saying it will happen automatically but it can and does happen.

Just as an aside following the Northampton game, why change a winning team?

 

[Lethargic]

All of this gets us precisely nowhere.

Given what we have available would a different manager get anything better out of the players currently here? It's not as if anybody is not trying their hardest, but if the players are simply not good enough, there is a limit to what any manager can do with them.

The manager doesn't get the result, the players do (and having seen the abject excuse for defending that let in both Tranmere goals, some of them are clearly not up to it when faced with a quick agressive forward running at them). But they are the best we have.....

We might as well blame the referee for every result and stick our heads firmly in the sand like every premiershite manager who looses a game.

If we had the resources, we would have a different team and different results but we haven't, and we won't get any better unless we get phenominally lucky again (like getting Zamora on the cheap), or somebody with a huge bank balance and prepared to spend it joins the board. Both options are remote (unless someone knows different).

Without additional investment we won't go forward (and no this is not a pop at the current board who are doing the best they can under difficult conditions), but don't expect Falmer to be a sudden solution to all our problems. A decade and more of struggle won't suddenly stop just because of a new ground alone.

Overall we are at the the level that the current team deserves. Nobody likes it and everyone has ambitions to be better, but incessant negative whinging helps no-one. Every time we loose there is the same pointless poll to change the manager, the same tedious "Wilkins/current manager/delete as applicable out" demands. Every time we win/draw, suprise, surprise it all stops and we are about to go top of the league again.

Harking back to previous managers as if they were some sort of golden age is stupid, futile and destructive. What is this ongoing obsession with McGhee anyway? You might as well wish for the first golden age of of the sacred god Mullery to come back but it ain't going to happen.

Get real.

Well said and I agree. I don't like the football we are serving up at the moment but I dont see that a change of manager will really make much difference, it 's the change of players that we really need. Who would we realistically get to replace Wilkins if he went?

 

[Easy 10]

Cheshire makes some good points, BUT - alarm bells are ringing from the last disastrous internal appointment. Hinshelwood was given far too long before he was eventually ousted. Despite getting a superb manager in to replace him, the damage had already been done (during that crushing 11 or 12 match losing streak). After that, Coppell did phenomenally well to take it to the final day of the season before our relegation was confirmed. Had we brought him in a mere 2 or 3 weeks earlier, we might even have escaped the drop that year.

 

[Ernest]

Cheshire makes some good points, BUT - alarm bells are ringing from the last disastrous internal appointment. Hinshelwood was given far too long before he was eventually ousted. Despite getting a superb manager in to replace him, the damage had already been done (during that crushing 11 or 12 match losing streak). After that, Coppell did phenomenally well to take it to the final day of the season before our relegation was confirmed. Had we brought him in a mere 2 or 3 weeks earlier, we might even have escaped the drop that year.

Every internal appointment has been DISASTROUS, why won't the potless pillock LEARN ?