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UAF = TRAITORS, DIRTY SMELLY AND UNWASHED, like to act in larger groups and try to bully people, ABOUT RIGHT EH DAVE
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daveinprague
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EDL = Traitors making nazi salutes at the British womens memorial in Whitehall. Like to act hard on FB.
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Pretty pink fairy
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no excuses for that, but in no way are they traitors unlike these scummy lefty UAF, they might as well **** off out of the country if they don't like it , as i've said the quicker the EDL ditch the piss heads and arm wavers and you'll find a lot more joining the ranks , WHERE WILL THE UAF BE THEN ??
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Soulman; I think you've misunderstood me. I originally asked the question as I was interested in what had attracted you to the EDL, not to pigeonhole or bully you in any way. I couldn't give a rats chuff where your political allegiances lie, I'm just concerned about the bigger picture of seemingly moderate, sensible people on both sides being radicalised, and the way that extremist groups are using events in order to recruit. But as someone else said, you can't expect to make numerous posts defending the EDL without people drawing some conclusions from them and then getting precious when they do, it's human nature.
As you seem to have formed an opinion of my type I'll clarify my political views to save any further misunderstanding. I am wary of political groups in general but if pushed would describe myself as a Libertarian Socialist, in that I believe both in social equality and the right to individual freedom of expression without overarching state intervention. I very much dislike extreme political and religious ideologies of all types, and am reminded why when I see the racist thugs who march for the EDL, and those who wave "Death to those who insult Islam" banners, both equally despicable in my mind.
Pretty pink fairy
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NO PEOPLE STANDING UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS MORE LIKE IT!!!So are you saying fascists are justified through the existence of extremists?
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Yeah whatever.
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There will need to be more joining the ranks, as they'll be no one left!
daveinprague
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Standing up for their rights? lol... and their rights are to get pissed up in towns around the country, and then go on a stagger...sorry, a demo... have a confrontation with the police, and get sent home.
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Hear hear.
daveinprague
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If the EDL ditch the arm wavers, and pissheads, they will be left without an organisation.
UAF, and any other anti fascist groupls will still be there, as they have been for many years...
How can you say 'no way are they traitors'...im sorry, but a fascist salute at a British war memorial, sounds pretty traitorous to me.
tezz79
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I've come to the conclusion you are either an Islamic fundamentalist or a ****ing idiot !
I didn't jump to this conclusion but I had my suspicions early on.
You keep comparing far right groups (which you yourself admit are nothing more than chavs) with jihadists & also fail to find fault with them killing Muslims because its not on your doorstep.
I think I can safely deem you are a prize idiot of the highest order.....cheers
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daveinprague
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Im neither a Muslm fundamentalist or ****ing idiot.
Tell me about the EDL, and tell me the point of their pissed up marches exactly. Im aware there are fundamental Islamic lunatics in our country, and Im pretty sure most other people know about it. Tell me why we need drunk fascists marching in our streets with our flag covered in graffiti, to 'highlight' it for us?
Who is 'comparing' EDL chavs with jihadists? The fact that these fascists have chosen to be 'anti islamic' instead of just down right racist, is not my fault.
Tell me how these 'patriots' are doing a good thing? What has the EDL actually done in 3 years, other than cause business's up and down the
country lose money, disrupt a grooming court case, attacking a solicitor, spreading rumours of a child being raped in a school toilet in Luton.
Give fascist salutes, and welcome racists, and neo fascists with open arms.
There are plenty of troublespots around the world, that dont worry me. Am I to worry about all of them?
Thanks for the award, it may lose me sleep overnight, but dont worry.
Tell me about the EDL, and tell me the point of their pissed up marches exactly. Im aware there are fundamental Islamic lunatics in our country, and Im pretty sure most other people know about it. Tell me why we need drunk fascists marching in our streets with our flag covered in graffiti, to 'highlight' it for us?
Who is 'comparing' EDL chavs with jihadists? The fact that these fascists have chosen to be 'anti islamic' instead of just down right racist, is not my fault.
Tell me how these 'patriots' are doing a good thing? What has the EDL actually done in 3 years, other than cause business's up and down the
country lose money, disrupt a grooming court case, attacking a solicitor, spreading rumours of a child being raped in a school toilet in Luton.
Give fascist salutes, and welcome racists, and neo fascists with open arms.
There are plenty of troublespots around the world, that dont worry me. Am I to worry about all of them?
Thanks for the award, it may lose me sleep overnight, but dont worry.
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tezz79
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From early on you have been shown to be just as narrow minded as any EDL member.
You claimed you could never blame a Muslim (including a Muslim extremist) for a bit of spray paint because you were not the type to point the finger yet you blamed it on EDL members from the start.
You banged on about all these ATTACKS on Muslims which were happening all over the country & it turns out its things written on Facebook which you are then pulled up on & you continue to try & make out that you see these ATTACKS as terrible & some kind of counter argument to anybody that questions Muslim fundamentalist or their wrong doings but when it comes criticising muslim jihadists for killing children then you play it down because it didnt happen here.
How can anybody take you seriously ?
You can't even admit you are wrong regarding the graffiti despite the fact you said that you would.
I'd like to call you a prick but I find you such a joke I can't actually see the point in letting your laughably unbalanced views even bring me to the point of insulting you because you practically insult yourself when you post.
tezz79
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Can you point out where I've said they have done good things ?
Can you point out where they have done anything on par with chopping people up ?
You dont have to worry about anything as far as I'm concerned but we can all sit & have a laugh about how you blatantly pick & choose the things that are right & wrong & coincidently it's only the things YOU CLAIM the EDL have done that you are willing to point out.
Actually don't point anything out in reply because I'm finding you boring & I'm pretty sure everybody can see the flaws in your cack so I really can't be arsed to acknowledge you anymore
daveinprague
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You dont have to tell me they have done those things. I already know.
What has 'chopping up' people got to do with it...Do you need EDL to 'highlight' that for you as well?
We all KNOW about fundamental Islamists...some of us dont need racist fascists to 'highlight' it for us.
Keep defending fascists.
What has 'chopping up' people got to do with it...Do you need EDL to 'highlight' that for you as well?
We all KNOW about fundamental Islamists...some of us dont need racist fascists to 'highlight' it for us.
Keep defending fascists.
I see you cherry pick your concerns with regard to what goes on in other countries in order to suit your argument – you’re not concerned when Muslims kill Muslims but you are deeply concerned by drones accidently killing them.
Seeing as Muslim on Muslim atrocities are of no concern to you, you won’t be interested that the Syrian president has killed tens of thousands over the last couple of years, without any help from us.
Mali, Libya, Iraq, Iran etc, all over the world Muslims are killing each other. Our government and its allies fight these dictatorships so that the people of these countries can enjoy the same freedoms that we have - here in Britain we provide welfare, pensions, free health care, education and equal rights for everyone.
The same Britain that allows you to freely to spout your contrary views in is the same Britain that fights dictatorships – thinking about it, you and the UAF try to suppress freedom of speech - Isn’t that dictatorship?
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To be fair, there have been a number of instances quoted on the news in various places of muslim demonstrations to condemn extremism. There have probably been more but "Good News" does not get reported.
And up and down the country there are numerous examples all over the place of Muslims working comfortably and enthusiastically alongside people from other faiths for the common good - including in Sussex. People just do not notice.
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I guess that is the 'Party Line' at least....
King of Birds
Libertine
In such arguments both camps can quote stats and links and 'evidence' to support their claims, and all that happens is that the arguments go around in never ending circles with no positive end result.
What is clear, to me anyway, is that in these difficult times a lot of people want a target for their frustration and anger at the world. The danger here, as again history has shown time and again, is that the recipient culture chosen is then portrayed as an evil homogenous unit and victimised accordingly (think Germany in the 1930s). Thus normal, moderate, law-abiding Muslims end up being targeted alongside Islamic Fundamentalists, as they are seen as part of the problem and therefore not entitled to the same basic human rights as everyone else.
So the challenge remains to confront Islamic fundamentalism without playing into the hands of the Fascists, racists and bigots who would like nothing more than all Muslims to be gone, one way or another. And anyone who honestly believes that that is not the desired endgame of the EDL is deluded.
What is clear, to me anyway, is that in these difficult times a lot of people want a target for their frustration and anger at the world. The danger here, as again history has shown time and again, is that the recipient culture chosen is then portrayed as an evil homogenous unit and victimised accordingly (think Germany in the 1930s). Thus normal, moderate, law-abiding Muslims end up being targeted alongside Islamic Fundamentalists, as they are seen as part of the problem and therefore not entitled to the same basic human rights as everyone else.
So the challenge remains to confront Islamic fundamentalism without playing into the hands of the Fascists, racists and bigots who would like nothing more than all Muslims to be gone, one way or another. And anyone who honestly believes that that is not the desired endgame of the EDL is deluded.