York Mosque shows the way for all of us

[Seagull Stew]

What's it got to do with me ? Plenty ,seeing as I live here and not 12000 fling miles away , if you're naive and stupid enough to think my point is simplistic as someone being totally different to me , and not whether this has a bearing and effect on the country and society as a whole then there is no point arguing with you.

OK Bushy, educate me. Let's pretend that I have totally forgotten what it was like to live in the UK, and that there are no racial issues whatsoever in New Zealand. I am totally naive to all matters to do with a multi cultural society.

There are clearly people living in your environment who do not adhere to your belief of what the social structure should be. How does this actually affect you? Are you unable to go to the pub and drink. If a woman walks past you wearing a burka, can you not continue walking past them, maybe ignoring them or even giving them a friendly smile? Do people who choose to pray 5 times a day, do this right in front of you and prevent you from getting on with your business?

Do you not think that, in any way, the UK has benefitted from multi culturalism? Sure society might be changing in your view, but is it always for the worse? What are you scared of? With many many other cultures existing in the UK, why would "Islamification" be the one that rules supreme in the future?

What percentage of the muslim population, even the devout ones, do you think want to force "Sharia law" on the many other cultures that exist in the UK? And finally, what is it that you actually want to happen?

Sorry, so many questions, but I am genuinely interested in your viewpoint on this, because I just don't get it!

Soulman, Looney feel free to give your responses too.

 

[Soulman]

You have made many posts on here defending the EDL. You really cannot be that surprised that people are jumping to the conclusion that you are a supporter or sympathiser. No one is trying to pidgeon hole you but assumptions will be made on what you post (just like everybody else). The fact that you now have had two people openly question your affiliation to the EDL should give you a hint about the way you are coming across. Stop being so Precious.

So, is it the time for me to stop posting what i want. Two people question me eh, so do we assume that all the people that are anti EDL are UAF/radical muslim sympathisers, or do they have their own opinions which have nothing to do with either group.
Thankfully some can think for themselves, have their own opinion, quite clearly if it is not the opinion that some want to hear.....then they will keep on assuming, insinuating, until the mud sticks.
I'm afraid i will have my opinion, even though some disagree.

 

[BadFish]

So, is it the time for me to stop posting what i want. Two people question me eh, so do we assume that all the people that are anti EDL are UAF/radical muslim sympathisers, or do they have their own opinions which have nothing to do with either group.
Thankfully some can think for themselves, have their own opinion, quite clearly if it is not the opinion that some want to hear.....then they will keep on assuming, insinuating, until the mud sticks.
I'm afraid i will have my opinion, even though some disagree.

You are welcome to your opinion, just as others can disagree with it. No one is saying otherwise. Carry on.

All I am saying that what you post is causing people to make assumptions about you and don't seem to like those assumptions Like you say though, you are free to post whatever you like.

 

[Soulman]

OK Bushy, educate me. Let's pretend that I have totally forgotten what it was like to live in the UK, and that there are no racial issues whatsoever in New Zealand. I am totally naive to all matters to do with a multi cultural society.

There are clearly people living in your environment who do not adhere to your belief of what the social structure should be. How does this actually affect you? Are you unable to go to the pub and drink. If a woman walks past you wearing a burka, can you not continue walking past them, maybe ignoring them or even giving them a friendly smile? Do people who choose to pray 5 times a day, do this right in front of you and prevent you from getting on with your business?

Do you not think that, in any way, the UK has benefitted from multi culturalism? Sure society might be changing in your view, but is it always for the worse? What are you scared of? With many many other cultures existing in the UK, why would "Islamification" be the one that rules supreme in the future?

What percentage of the muslim population, even the devout ones, do you think want to force "Sharia law" on the many other cultures that exist in the UK? And finally, what is it that you actually want to happen?

Sorry, so many questions, but I am genuinely interested in your viewpoint on this, because I just don't get it!

Soulman, Looney feel free to give your responses too.

Hi, and thanks for a genuine post.
Firstly it is not just the white English that are getting concerned about radical muslims. Other religions are concerned especially religions and colours that could be mistaken for muslims, they are coming under pressure from the uneducated, some as you know from groups mentioned who lump all in one box. Their concerns are the media, always the headline "Asian" did this or that....Asian covers many countries, religions and colours.
Ok, the fact that grooming (there are now more than 54 cases, some outed, some to be outed) has been covered up for over 10 years, known about but the authorities were worried about upsetting people and angering them. Well now they are all coming out, the English people are annoyed and feel betrayed.
Ok, if an opinion, demo, tweet etc is against radical muslims, then they are dealt with...example, £350 fine and sometimes jail for burning a Koran, a £50 fine for burning the Poppy and the UJ.
Go to certain mosques and bookstalls and see the speech and literature on display....nothing done. A certain radical and his mates have dished out hate speech, all on video.....nothing done, except the main man has been moved out and given police protection.
Known terrorists allowed into the country, radicalising people, the chap that murdered Drummer Rigby was a known terrorist in Kenya, Kenya warned the UK, and he still was allowed to roam and then kill. Hell we can not even get rid of a radical that is wanted in his own country for terrorism.
Do you not think that putting up No Go areas/Sharia areas, no drinking, no gays etc is racist, sending children in the summer holidays from here to Pakistan for genital mutilation is wrong?.....or do we just turn a blind eye.
Perhaps if the UAF concentrated on these issues as well, then the media would not be obsessed with a group of English people waving flags and shouting, who actually have not beheaded, killed blown up, or mutilated any young girls bodies, or as far as i know groomed young muslim teenagers.
In fact, let's have a level playing field, proper reporting for the sake of other religions in this country, that are equally upset and annoyed.
If these radicals are a small minority as we are told, and the majority of muslims are against them, then round them up for the good of all.
By the way, much has been said about moderate muslims coming out against the radicals, well in Ilford (which has a very large muslim population (very near though to a well know n radical), some good muslims arranged a march in support of Drummer Rigby.........30 turned up.......30, many were warned off and threatened.
As for walking down the street or pub, of course no problem down in good old Sussex By The Sea, can not say the same for other areas that i have worked in though.

 

[Soulman]

You are welcome to your opinion, just as others can disagree with it. No one is saying otherwise. Carry on.

All I am saying that what you post is causing people to make assumptions about you and don't seem to like those assumptions Like you say though, you are free to post whatever you like.

Hang on, it's gone from two people, you and King Of, to "causing people to make assumptions". I have answered BOTH of your assumptions on the thread, but you both keep grinding away, possibly hoping for more back up. As i stated, i have MY opinion, many like me who have no links to the mob you keep banging on about, feel the same, incidently people from all walks of life....like me they have an opinion, their opinion.....carry on.

 

[cunning fergus]

OK Bushy, educate me. Let's pretend that I have totally forgotten what it was like to live in the UK, and that there are no racial issues whatsoever in New Zealand. I am totally naive to all matters to do with a multi cultural society.

There are clearly people living in your environment who do not adhere to your belief of what the social structure should be. How does this actually affect you? Are you unable to go to the pub and drink. If a woman walks past you wearing a burka, can you not continue walking past them, maybe ignoring them or even giving them a friendly smile? Do people who choose to pray 5 times a day, do this right in front of you and prevent you from getting on with your business?

Do you not think that, in any way, the UK has benefitted from multi culturalism? Sure society might be changing in your view, but is it always for the worse? What are you scared of? With many many other cultures existing in the UK, why would "Islamification" be the one that rules supreme in the future?

What percentage of the muslim population, even the devout ones, do you think want to force "Sharia law" on the many other cultures that exist in the UK? And finally, what is it that you actually want to happen?

Sorry, so many questions, but I am genuinely interested in your viewpoint on this, because I just don't get it!

Soulman, Looney feel free to give your responses too.

You are right, in the last 50 years, and particularly last 20 there are many cultures now existing in UK, and why should we be concerned about one of them............well how about..........

Taxpayers money spent on accommodating Muslim demands:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4926114.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...s-150000-so-Muslim-graves-can-face-Mecca.html

Halal meat provided as the default choice in schools..........without telling parents (note parents reaction to being quoted in press):

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10308743.Row_over_Halal_meat_at_school/

Designing all new council houses to accommodate the requirements of faith groups:

http://www.e-lindsey.gov.uk/NR/rdon...E214/0/Housingneedsofreligiousgroupsaug08.pdf. See pages 11 -12

Polygamous relationships and benefits:

http://www.parliament.uk/Templates/BriefingPapers/Pages/BPPdfDownload.aspx?bp-id=sn05051

Sharia law silently introduced

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2...aria-law-has-no-place-in-britain-or-elsewhere

Unique treatment for muslims under common law

http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/01/27/muslim-faith-schools-misogyny-led-to-teens-rape-conviction/

A problem on the increase?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/nov/28/muslim-schools-growth

Or is there no problem.........

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...0-sparking-radicalisation-fears-in-jails.html

At the very least this thread demonstrates the chilling effect that multiculturalism has had on open debate, frankly there are way too many people all too easily offended who will contort justified criticism on about a the cultural benefits of a specific religion as racial supremacy............just for that reason alone Britain has already changed beyond measure............very sad.

Fact is we are still at the start of our multicultural journey, no one knows with any certainty where it will end.........there are no precedents on this journey, but the indicators are not rosy, regardless of the boundless myopic optimism that exists within some on this thread.

Best of British in NZ.

 

[Soulman]

You are right, in the last 50 years, and particularly last 20 there are many cultures now existing in UK, and why should we be concerned about one of them............well how about..........

Taxpayers money spent on accommodating Muslim demands:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4926114.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...s-150000-so-Muslim-graves-can-face-Mecca.html

Halal meat provided as the default choice in schools..........without telling parents (note parents reaction to being quoted in press):

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/10308743.Row_over_Halal_meat_at_school/

Designing all new council houses to accommodate the requirements of faith groups:

http://www.e-lindsey.gov.uk/NR/rdon...E214/0/Housingneedsofreligiousgroupsaug08.pdf. See pages 11 -12

Polygamous relationships and benefits:

http://www.parliament.uk/Templates/BriefingPapers/Pages/BPPdfDownload.aspx?bp-id=sn05051

Sharia law silently introduced

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2...aria-law-has-no-place-in-britain-or-elsewhere

Unique treatment for muslims under common law

http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/01/27/muslim-faith-schools-misogyny-led-to-teens-rape-conviction/

A problem on the increase?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/nov/28/muslim-schools-growth

Or is there no problem.........

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...0-sparking-radicalisation-fears-in-jails.html

At the very least this thread demonstrates the chilling effect that multiculturalism has had on open debate, frankly there are way too many people all too easily offended who will contort justified criticism on about a the cultural benefits of a specific religion as racial supremacy............just for that reason alone Britain has already changed beyond measure............very sad.

Fact is we are still at the start of our multicultural journey, no one knows with any certainty where it will end.........there are no precedents on this journey, but the indicators are not rosy, regardless of the boundless myopic optimism that exists within some on this thread.

Best of British in NZ.

Good links, a few of many. Good to see the links came from both sides, left and right medias. Just goes to prove, you don't have to support or sympathise with any group........just open your own eyes.

 

[Baldseagull]

It's funny that the York Mosque feels able to welcome in EDL supporters and talk to them but some of the posters on here just want to lynch them.
You may not like the way the EDL say it, and unfortunately it is going to be a magnet for some pure racists, but there are increasing problems with some muslim sects in particular in the UK.
I am glad that the York Mosque appears to not be one of those causing problems, and that the EDL supporters that went there were welcomed in.

 

[Soulman]

Well, I mentioned 200 attacks on Muslims..that included mosques?...Did the same thing go through my mind? After reading some of the EDL pages, urging people to burn down mosques, well, not really...I doubt if muslims would burn down their own places of worship..
Who likes radical Islamists? Certainly not me. ..
Im sorry, was it required that I denounce extremist muslims? I would have thought that was a nailed on point anyway? Most people do anyway?
What concerned me, was, and ill repeat it again, was that I believed it was not necessarily a muslim who did the graffiti..considering far right groups attempts
to start a 'civil war' in the UK, by ratcheting up tensions, that were already high... . its still not confirmed it was a muslim, unless you know something different?
I notice you are not 'denouncing' Nazi salutes by EDL members at a British War Memorial, but I have to denounce militant Islamists who nobody has any time for...?

"Well, I mentioned 200 attacks on Muslims..that included mosques?" quote.

The TRUTH about the 'wave of attacks' on Muslims after Woolwich killing: Most of the incidents recorded were offensive messages on Facebook and Twitter.
Apparently not one person has been treated for an attack.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...attacks-on-Muslims-after-Woolwich-murder.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-messages-Facebook-Twitter.html#ixzz2V8UZ7tIy

http://www.newshour24.com/UK/74vvcy...re-Offensive-Messages-On-Facebook-Twitter.htm

 

[El Presidente]

I'm still worried about the Muslamic Ray Guns, they could wipe out hundreds if not thousands with them surely?

 

[Soulman]

I'm still worried about the Muslamic Ray Guns, they could wipe out hundreds if not thousands with them surely?

Yes, a major concern, although if i was a betting man

 

[daveinprague]

Oh well, if Englands neo nazis are only chatting on FB, and not threatening/urging attacks on mosques, pakis, and commies, all is well...


As an aside...one of the people behind 'Woolwich Strong' posted 14/88 on one of this posts, however its nothing to do with fascism/racism apparently...Pretty funny though..

'#1 kris bothwell 2013-06-02 13:58
i suggest you take this article about me of your website you are suggesting that i have nazi fantasys by posting 88/14w which is complete bullshit mr hastings you should get your facts right 88/14w refers to 22 march 1988 which is the day prince william was born'

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

He can cut and paste what he likes , the fact of the matter is I turned up on his doorstep , he Shit himself and promised to apologise , I then magnanimously accepted his (numerous) offers to "settle it over a pint" which to be fair is the more sensible option , we never got round to it though, and he has been getting braver and braver the longer hes been in Berlin ,I couldn't give a toss about any apologies now ill just bide my time until he comes back , I know too many people on here to publicly offer to meet him if I didn't really want to.

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...y-screwed-up!/page3&highlight=Ronnie+Sullivan

Here is the original thread where @bushy is exposed as a bull shitter. I would like to draw particular attention to post #50; where @bushy accuses me of "judicious editing." It would appear he has now back-tracked on this as his new version of events is closer to what I have been saying. Yet more @bushy bull shitting.

And it is nothing to do with me getting braver. It's more to do with your constant fibs about what happened and me finally wanting to set the record straight. And further to this I gave you my mobile number on 5/4/11, asked you to call me, and told you I could be found in The Albert after every home game. Given you have been wanting to "catch up with me" for so long I will leave you to tell everyone why you have not bothered to do this given you know my contact details and post match movements for the past 4 years. All this macho crap about "catching up with me" is just bull shit so please stop puffing out your chest because you're full of shit and never walk the talk; you have been able to contact me for years.

Oh. And this is not me engaging in any macho behaviour, it's not my style. Please see post #56 in the link.

 

[Soulman]

Oh well, if Englands neo nazis are only chatting on FB, and not threatening/urging attacks on mosques, pakis, and commies, all is well...


As an aside...one of the people behind 'Woolwich Strong' posted 14/88 on one of this posts, however its nothing to do with fascism/racism apparently...Pretty funny though..

'#1 kris bothwell 2013-06-02 13:58
i suggest you take this article about me of your website you are suggesting that i have nazi fantasys by posting 88/14w which is complete bullshit mr hastings you should get your facts right 88/14w refers to 22 march 1988 which is the day prince william was born'

Yep, made me smile.
Hopefully Dave i will soon be able to update you on who sprayed ISLAM on the memorial wall.

 

[BadFish]

So where are we up to with this debate?

We all dislike radical Islam? We all dislike radical right wing groups? Anyone like the New Radicals? I thought their one big hit was quite good but they had nothing to back it up.

Anyway it sounds like we are all disliking the same stuff and that radical ideals are not very popular.

Bushy and Herr Tubthumper are bickering.....Bushy has threatened a few people.

Everything seems in order here.......carry on!

 

[Chris001]

Just to check as a white, working class Brit should I do be doing something about EDL?
Should Radio DJs accross the countyr play a part in the crackdown on Paedos?
And as a cat owner what shoould I do to prevent more deaths by dangerous dogs?

Many white, working class Brits go out of their way to distance themselves from the EDL, much more so than moderate Muslims do against extremist Islamic views. The UAF for example follow the EDL all over the country to counter demonstrate against them. UAF members as far as I can tell are predominantly white, often outnumber their counterparts and are often the first to kick off.

We live in a democracy don't we? Therefore the EDL are entitled to their opinions and unlike many places around the world they are free to voice them. Have they butchered anyone to death in the middle of the street in the name of Christianity? No, they stand for and say things that make some people uncomfortable and that's it! That alone is enough for 1000's of balaclava wearing white people to take to the streets to shout at them and try to cave their heads in.

 

[daveinprague]

Chris, How do you know about moderate muslims views?
Anyway, the EDL is a laughable bunch of cretins, who are outrageously racist, and not only against Militant Islamists, but Islam as a whole. Not honest enough yet to describe themselves as racist twunts, and most of them have no idea what they are talking about anyway.
Anybody who considers these street thugs as anything more than Chavs, looking to enjoy the adrenaline rush of street brawling, is
as daft as they are.
Yes, UAF blah blah blah...they are the real fascists blah blah blah...
No fascists marching on our streets, hoping to be a public nuisance, then no UAF. Quite easy really.

 

[Chris001]

Chris, How do you know about moderate muslims views?
Anyway, the EDL is a laughable bunch of cretins, who are outrageously racist, and not only against Militant Islamists, but Islam as a whole. Not honest enough yet to describe themselves as racist twunts, and most of them have no idea what they are talking about anyway.
Anybody who considers these street thugs as anything more than Chavs, looking to enjoy the adrenaline rush of street brawling, is
as daft as they are.
Yes, UAF blah blah blah...they are the real fascists blah blah blah...
No fascists marching on our streets, hoping to be a public nuisance, then no UAF. Quite easy really.

I don’t see moderate Muslims taking to the streets in defiance of the Jihadists, I do see 1000’s of balaclava clad white people taking to the streets to silence a smaller number from the far right.
Weigh up which group causes the most mayhem around the globe – News today, 10 children were killed in Pakistan by a Taliban suicide bomber whereas crowds blocked the EDL from laying a wreath in Sheffield at a war memorial.
No militant Islamists, then no fascists marching on our streets, then no UAF.

 

[daveinprague]

The muslim council has issued several statements.. 5000 muslims prayed for the poor boys soul in London ...There have been statements from Islamic clerics from
around the country... Yes, 10 muslim children were killed by muslims in Pakistan...What happens in another country, however tragic, really isnt my concern, other than the fact
my government, and its allies feel free to launch missiles from drones, that manage to kill civilians there.
Crowds blocked the EDL, because British people, not just the UAF/Commies/etc, are not stupid, and resent a far right
group of wingnuts, attempting to capitilize on this poor boys death...How many other political groups 'capitalized' on this boys
death? The family, and the regiment asked for it not to happen, but lets be honest, EDL are desperate for numbers and are
seeing this boys death as 'an opportunity'.

pssst.. Ive seen NF, BNP marching on Brighton streets in the 70s... You think the charade of not being a racist group will stay forever?

 

[Mr Bridger]

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...y-screwed-up!/page3&highlight=Ronnie+Sullivan

Here is the original thread where @bushy is exposed as a bull shitter. I would like to draw particular attention to post #50; where @bushy accuses me of "judicious editing." It would appear he has now back-tracked on this as his new version of events is closer to what I have been saying. Yet more @bushy bull shitting.

And it is nothing to do with me getting braver. It's more to do with your constant fibs about what happened and me finally wanting to set the record straight. And further to this I gave you my mobile number on 5/4/11, asked you to call me, and told you I could be found in The Albert after every home game. Given you have been wanting to "catch up with me" for so long I will leave you to tell everyone why you have not bothered to do this given you know my contact details and post match movements for the past 4 years. All this macho crap about "catching up with me" is just bull shit so please stop puffing out your chest because you're full of shit and never walk the talk; you have been able to contact me for years.

Oh. And this is not me engaging in any macho behaviour, it's not my style. Please see post #56 in the link.

Jesus f@cking Christ mate, you need to get a life. Have you ever heard of the phrase 'yeah whatever'? Just get on with it FFS