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[Herr Tubthumper]

I'd also like to point out that I'm the 3rd person on nsc to have felt aggrieved enough to offer you out , there was dear old bha express RIP, no more mithrasforme , who's dad you referred to as a weasel , and me, again , you can't go around being as personally offensive as you are without expecting comebacks , as you have found out.

Jesus. You're really clutching at straws using BHA Express as an example.

 

[Nibble]

What exactly do you consider to be completely untrue and fabricated ? As for the other stuff, I only challenge people where it becomes personally offensive as is the case with your friend Noelle, and phat baz or whatever he's called.

All I mean is even if people do get offended on here, nothing much can come of it except a load of silly bother on doorsteps, having not been there I can't comment on what happened but it just doesn't really seem worth the hassle.

 

[Soulman]

Soulman; it appears you're a supporter of the EDL/BNP. I'm interested as to how long you've supported them. Is it a recent thing or have you had far right political views for some time? If you have then that's one thing. I'm more interested in, and concerned about, those who have flocked to their cause since Boston and Woolwich. Do you not think the EDL have cynically exploited these events in much the same way as the Islamists exploited the events in Iraq and Afghanistan, ie to further their political agendas?

You see there is footage that some do not see.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b02_1370111676

 

[User removed 4]

All I mean is even if people do get offended on here, nothing much can come of it except a load of silly bother on doorsteps, having not been there I can't comment on what happened but it just doesn't really seem worth the hassle.

You're probably right

 

[User removed 4]

You see there is footage that some do not see.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b02_1370111676

That is typical they only want to know when they outnumber the opposition , we had some edl/March for England blokes in our local, from what I can see , they'd absolutely destroy these scrawny student uaf types one to one.

 

[King of Birds]

I read posts that just put out the reports from the media, often very biased, often missing out the facts, often twisting them. The UAF are worse than the EDL and cause more trouble if the arrests from the demos were published.
I do not think the EDL have "cynically exploited these events", i think it has worked the other way, the media have latched onto their actions and it has actually diverted away from the callous killing of a soldier in his own country.
The government are being let off the hook and the EDL demos have helped to steer away from the problem. So i wish the EDL had kept away really.
Anybody that speaks out against the cover up's, over more than 10years, the fact that the radical extremist's have been allowed to get away with things, gets my ear.
No matter how many times ordinary people have asked for some action in dealing with the problem, the soundbites are now getting tiresome, nothing is being done.
By the way, i have completed quite a few questionnaires, answered them, and rather disappointingly for people like yourself i suspect, my results have come out just left of centre, so there you go.

"People like me"? Who are they exactly? The media bias thing is more interesting. Depending on who you believe, the BBC for example have been accused of being both Marxist and conservative at the same time. The reason I thought you were an EDL supporter, or at least sympathiser, is that most of your posts have been in their defence. If you were simply playing Devil's advocate or trying to redress the balance, as you see it, you could have made that clearer.

 

[Soulman]

"People like me"? Who are they exactly? The media bias thing is more interesting. Depending on who you believe, the BBC for example have been accused of being both Marxist and conservative at the same time. The reason I thought you were an EDL supporter, or at least sympathiser, is that most of your posts have been in their defence. If you were simply playing Devil's advocate or trying to redress the balance, as you see it, you could have made that clearer.

I don't have to make things clearer really, i just post my thoughts or opinions. I think it's best to just debate on the posts, not try to work out the poster, that usually ends up with the poster being verbally abused, as happens quite a lot.
A great many people agree with some of the EDL's reasons, if not the way they go about things, that does not mean they are supporters or sympathisers, they just happen to find some common ground.

 

[King of Birds]

I don't have to make things clearer really, i just post my thoughts or opinions. I think it's best to just debate on the posts, not try to work out the poster, that usually ends up with the poster being verbally abused, as happens quite a lot.
A great many people agree with some of the EDL's reasons, if not the way they go about things, that does not mean they are supporters or sympathisers, they just happen to find some common ground.

Hang on a minute, you said "people like me"; how's that not trying to work out or pigeonhole people from their posts?. I'd still like to know who you mean by that.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I don't have to make things clearer really, i just post my thoughts or opinions. I think it's best to just debate on the posts, not try to work out the poster, that usually ends up with the poster being verbally abused, as happens quite a lot.
A great many people agree with some of the EDL's reasons, if not the way they go about things, that does not mean they are supporters or sympathisers, they just happen to find some common ground.

I agree there is too much second guessing on what people might be affiliated too just because they make the statement. The same thing happened over the debate of controlling migration to the UK and the same thing is happening all over again. It has to stop. I think most people agree we need to keep this country safe. We don't want these crazy idiots doing something similar again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-there-is-a-problem-within-islam-8641078.html

 

[Soulman]

I agree there is too much second guessing on what people might be affiliated too just because they make the statement. The same thing happened over the debate of controlling migration to the UK and the same thing is happening all over again. It has to stop. I think most people agree we need to keep this country safe. We don't want these crazy idiots doing something similar again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-there-is-a-problem-within-islam-8641078.html

And this is worrying as well. Who and where he became radicalised.
"White Muslim convert threatened to kill Prince Harry just hours after brutal murder of Drummer Lee Rigby
Ashraf Islam, 30, handed himself into Hounslow police station on May 23.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-murder-Drummer-Lee-Rigby.html#ixzz2V2zyCLXY

 

[King of Birds]

I agree there is too much second guessing on what people might be affiliated too just because they make the statement. The same thing happened over the debate of controlling migration to the UK and the same thing is happening all over again. It has to stop. I think most people agree we need to keep this country safe. We don't want these crazy idiots doing something similar again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-there-is-a-problem-within-islam-8641078.html

I think most people who read through Soulman's posts on these threads would conclude he at the very least has EDL sympathies. If that perception is incorrect he only has himself to blame for it.

 

[Soulman]

I agree there is too much second guessing on what people might be affiliated too just because they make the statement. The same thing happened over the debate of controlling migration to the UK and the same thing is happening all over again. It has to stop. I think most people agree we need to keep this country safe. We don't want these crazy idiots doing something similar again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-there-is-a-problem-within-islam-8641078.html

What a snake and hypocrite that Blair is. His government ignored, and perhaps even helped the goings on of today.

 

[looney]

Errrr no.... Muslim Brotherhood started in the late thirties.

Thats not what I said.

 

[King of Birds]

What a snake and hypocrite that Blair is. His government ignored, and perhaps even helped the goings on of today.

Care to answer my earlier question and justify what appears to be some hypocrisy on your part chap?

 

[Soulman]

I think most people who read through Soulman's posts on these threads would conclude he at the very least has EDL sympathies. If that perception is incorrect he only has himself to blame for it.

I have not asked any posters if they are members/sympathisers etc of this and that, but, seeing as you keep on about it, are you a member/sympathiser etc of the UAF or Muslim Brotherhood?

 

[King of Birds]

I have not asked any posters if they are members/sympathisers etc of this and that, but, seeing as you keep on about it, are you a member/sympathiser etc of the UAF or Muslim Brotherhood?

No, and I'd like you to point to a single post of mine where you could reasonably conclude I was.

 

[Soulman]

Care to answer my earlier question and justify what appears to be some hypocrisy on your part chap?

Would you care to look through the thread to find out your answer, as i have already answered this question to another poster that kept on and on and on.

 

[King of Birds]

Would you care to look through the thread to find out your answer, as i have already answered this question to another poster that kept on and on and on.

No you haven't. You said "people like yourself" to me, and then claimed not to try and work out posters by what they write. How does that work? And again, and for the last time, who are people like me?

 

[Soulman]

No you haven't. You said "people like yourself" to me, and then claimed not to try and work out posters by what they write. How does that work? And again, and for the last time, who are people like me?

My post where i stated "people like yourself" was in answer to your post earlier, it would seem to me that you were assuming or fishing, or had come to your own conclusion, so that is why my reply included "people like yourself
Quote Originally Posted by King of Birds View Post
Soulman; it appears you're a supporter of the EDL/BNP. I'm interested as to how long you've supported them. Is it a recent thing or have you had far right political views for some time? If you have then that's one thing. I'm more interested in, and concerned about, those who have flocked to their cause since Boston and Woolwich. Do you not think the EDL have cynically exploited these events in much the same way as the Islamists exploited the events in Iraq and Afghanistan, ie to further their political agendas?

After that post i posted
"By the way, i have completed quite a few questionnaires, answered them, and rather disappointingly for people like yourself i suspect, my results have come out just left of centre, so there you go."

I shall just state, again. I am not and have never been a member of the EDL, Is it too difficult to understand that other people apart from the EDL share some of there views and concerns, is it too difficult to understand that not all people with these views want to join their demos or indeed be a part of them......in other words have their own mind and views...is it.

 

[BadFish]

Would you care to look through the thread to find out your answer, as i have already answered this question to another poster that kept on and on and on.

You have made many posts on here defending the EDL. You really cannot be that surprised that people are jumping to the conclusion that you are a supporter or sympathiser. No one is trying to pidgeon hole you but assumptions will be made on what you post (just like everybody else). The fact that you now have had at least three people openly question your affiliation to the EDL should give you a hint about the way you are coming across. Stop being so Precious.