York Mosque shows the way for all of us

[MICK PATCHAM]

wake up .......http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...lamists-campaign-to-recruit-street-gangs.html

 

[Seagull Stew]

I just don't think that devout muslims fit in in this country mate , you see that I use the word devout , muslim lites such as yourself obviously do , but most people really have nothing in common with people who pray five times a day , don't drink etc , and don't particularly enjoy seeing women dressed in a pretty sinister fashion , ie the full veil/ burka , do you HONESTLY think that the large concentrations of Muslims in the northern mill towns , Birmingham, London etc are a success story ? I just think we are storing up trouble for the future with this lack of integration ,and before anyone comments on whites not making any efforts , why on earth should they ?? Muslims CHOSE to come here , it's up to them to change ,not the other way round.

So it's basically all down to how other people choose to live their lives that upsets you?

If I moved in next door to you (thank "God" that won't happen), and choose not to drink, dress an unusual way (in your eyes) and act in a manner that, although not the same as what you do, doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever, then WHAT THE F**K HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH YOU!

 

[looney]

You mean the Muslim Brotherhood that was funded by the CIA since the 1950s ?

So whAT?

 

[clapham_gull]

How is the greatest leftie hypocrite ever getting on his £6M farmhouse ?

Naughty.

As well you know, it's not a farm house it overlooks the sea and isn't worth anywhere near that.

 

[King of Birds]

Someone should explain to Bragg that Patriotism has nothing to do with hatred. Shit do you lefties make up words and definitions on the hoof or something? wake the **** up.

Have you read Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot?. I'd say that no-one need explain anything to him regards patriotism.

And to bushy; as others have said - please give the 6th form posturing a rest. You're doing about as much good for your cause as the Jihad wannabees who shout "death to British troops" on our streets are for Islam.

 

[Twizzle]

I hope they put acid in the tea*


*Of course they wouldn't because they're not the monsters in this article. It's sad that they have to think up things like this just to try and relax the far right dickheads.

Erm..... not "sad" though is it. Actually a triumph over division and enlightment over ignorance.
Normally it's bad news that travels far and fast, this act stood out as a beacon in our times and trials.
A really quite small gesture, but hugely valuable.

 

[looney]

Have you read Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot?. I'd say that no-one need explain anything to him regards patriotism.

No I haven't so please enlighten me. What marvelous insight did Bragg have that the definition of Patriotism needed to be changed to include hatred and bitterness?

 

[King of Birds]

No I haven't so please enlighten me. What marvelous insight did Bragg have that the definition of Patriotism needed to be changed to include hatred and bitterness?

I think you misunderstand him. I can't do the book justice in a few words so best you read it if you're genuinely interested. I think you'll find it a very measured piece of work.

 

[teaboy]

Billy Bragg on FB today:
Today, the English Defence League and the British National party will be seeking to exploit the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby by marching to various war memorials around the UK with the aim of spreading their hate-filled agenda. It's a pity none of them will be visiting the memorial to Nurse Edith Cavell, which stands just north of Trafalgar Square in London, because her words should ring out across England today: "Patriotism is not enough: I must have no hatred or bitterness for anyone"

No I haven't so please enlighten me. What marvelous insight did Bragg have that the definition of Patriotism needed to be changed to include hatred and bitterness?

Why are you attributing the quote to Billy Bragg? It's written in stone on a statue just north of Trafalgar Square, and is the sentiment (and possibly the words of - I haven't checked) Edith Cavell.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Why are you attributing the quote to Billy Bragg? It's written in stone on a statue just north of Trafalgar Square, and is the sentiment (and possibly the words of - I haven't checked) Edith Cavell.

Said to her pastor, the night before she was executed by the Germans for her role in helping over 200 Allied soldiers escape to the Netherlands from Belgium during World War 1.

 

[Soulman]

Billy Bragg on FB today:
Today, the English Defence League and the British National party will be seeking to exploit the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby by marching to various war memorials around the UK with the aim of spreading their hate-filled agenda. It's a pity none of them will be visiting the memorial to Nurse Edith Cavell, which stands just north of Trafalgar Square in London, because her words should ring out across England today: "Patriotism is not enough: I must have no hatred or bitterness for anyone" Quote.




Fifty-eight arrests and all of them from the UAF. None from the EDL or BNP.

 

[King of Birds]

Soulman; it appears you're a supporter of the EDL/BNP. I'm interested as to how long you've supported them. Is it a recent thing or have you had far right political views for some time? If you have then that's one thing. I'm more interested in, and concerned about, those who have flocked to their cause since Boston and Woolwich. Do you not think the EDL have cynically exploited these events in much the same way as the Islamists exploited the events in Iraq and Afghanistan, ie to further their political agendas?

 

[User removed 4]

As ever you fail to understand the difference between an explanation and an excuse and you conflate the millions of Muslims who live in the UK with the actions of an handful of criminals. Were the actions of David Copeland or Tony Lecomber, to give two examples, the collective responsibility of all White males in the UK? The invasion of Iraq was a criminal act based on a lie which has lead to thousands of deaths. The idea that there are no consequences for that is naive in the extreme.

As ever you seek to avoid the issue at hand by obfuscating and failing to answer the question I asked , you, in your post ,alluded that the present state of affairs with radical Islam is due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars(conveniently ignoring that 9/11 ,the wtc bomb and us embassy bombings in Dar we salaam were well before either), and then went on to state that the relevant authorities were "warned" of how it would inflame muslim opinion , I then asked if in your view , it is a healthy cohesive society where young men born and bred here feel more loyalty and empathy for co religionists from countries thousands of miles away that they have no connection with, than their "fellow citizens" ? I also asked why nobody felt the need to warn the relevant authorities of how Christian opinion would be inflamed by our intervention against our fellow Christians on behalf of Muslims in Kosovo ? Why the special consideration for muslims , and their opinion ? You failed to answer either.

 

[User removed 4]

Doh. You're too quick for me Bushy. Make that 6 people you have "offered out." Do you have any idea how childish and dumb you look?

I'd also like to point out that I'm the 3rd person on nsc to have felt aggrieved enough to offer you out , there was dear old bha express RIP, no more mithrasforme , who's dad you referred to as a weasel , and me, again , you can't go around being as personally offensive as you are without expecting comebacks , as you have found out.

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy, I've only read about two thirds of your posts on here but I'm aiming this post directly at you. You need to stop spouting this bullshit. You have to stop writing stuff that everyone, including you I suspect, knows to be completely untrue, completely fabricated, knowingly or not. You espouse that so many people are what's wrong with this country. Your attitude is what's wrong. If your opinion won't change then at least change your responses to people that take issue with you. You will not, and understandably cannot be taken in any way seriously if your ultimate response is to physically challenge people.

Your default response does zero to bolster your argument and does so much to reinforce the already negative view people have of you.

What exactly do you consider to be completely untrue and fabricated ? As for the other stuff, I only challenge people where it becomes personally offensive as is the case with your friend Noelle, and phat baz or whatever he's called.

 

[Soulman]

Soulman; it appears you're a supporter of the EDL/BNP. I'm interested as to how long you've supported them. Is it a recent thing or have you had far right political views for some time? If you have then that's one thing. I'm more interested in, and concerned about, those who have flocked to their cause since Boston and Woolwich. Do you not think the EDL have cynically exploited these events to further their political agenda?

I read posts that just put out the reports from the media, often very biased, often missing out the facts, often twisting them. The UAF are worse than the EDL and cause more trouble if the arrests from the demos were published.
I do not think the EDL have "cynically exploited these events", i think it has worked the other way, the media have latched onto their actions and it has actually diverted away from the callous killing of a soldier in his own country.
The government are being let off the hook and the EDL demos have helped to steer away from the problem. So i wish the EDL had kept away really.
Anybody that speaks out against the cover up's, over more than 10years, the fact that the radical extremist's have been allowed to get away with things, gets my ear.
No matter how many times ordinary people have asked for some action in dealing with the problem, the soundbites are now getting tiresome, nothing is being done.
By the way, i have completed quite a few questionnaires, answered them, and rather disappointingly for people like yourself i suspect, my results have come out just left of centre, so there you go.

 

[User removed 4]

So it's basically all down to how other people choose to live their lives that upsets you?

If I moved in next door to you (thank "God" that won't happen), and choose not to drink, dress an unusual way (in your eyes) and act in a manner that, although not the same as what you do, doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever, then WHAT THE F**K HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH YOU!

What's it got to do with me ? Plenty ,seeing as I live here and not 12000 fling miles away , if you're naive and stupid enough to think my point is simplistic as someone being totally different to me , and not whether this has a bearing and effect on the country and society as a whole then there is no point arguing with you.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

As ever you seek to avoid the issue at hand ...

The issue at hand is whether the response of the EDL and BNP to the Woolwich murder is intended to stir things up or calm things down. It seems clear to me that there is evil intent behind these marches.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I just don't think that devout muslims fit in in this country mate , you see that I use the word devout , muslim lites such as yourself obviously do , but most people really have nothing in common with people who pray five times a day , don't drink etc , and don't particularly enjoy seeing women dressed in a pretty sinister fashion , ie the full veil/ burka , do you HONESTLY think that the large concentrations of Muslims in the northern mill towns , Birmingham, London etc are a success story ? I just think we are storing up trouble for the future with this lack of integration ,and before anyone comments on whites not making any efforts , why on earth should they ?? Muslims CHOSE to come here , it's up to them to change ,not the other way round.

Have to say right now but my concentration is elsewhere so cant think of this BUT the Mohammed El-Gomati article is written by a devout Muslim and it was he who was behind the whole York thing. perhaps he is an exception...

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Your an idiot if you beleive that. If you had witnessed the radicalisation of muslims in the 90's you would realise its a when not if. Its just historical quirk that we got going before them, of course you forgot to mention that 9/11 was before Iraq.

It all began with the muslim brotherhood in the 80s.

Errrr no.... Muslim Brotherhood started in the late thirties.