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War in Middle East - part XXVVVII



Half Time Pies

Well-known member
Sep 7, 2003
1,575
Brighton
' I'm against what Israel is doing in Gaza'.

.....'The State of Israel exists because the 'civilised' world including some influential Arabs refused to rescue Europe's Jews from Hitler when they could. The great powers were rightly guilty when they found out afterwards what they had allowed.

A (slightly) closer parallel, with what's going on in Gaza, look up what happened in the Syrian city of Hama in February 1982. The Muslim Brotherhood, in many ways similar to Hamas, had violently challenged the rule of Syrian President Hafez Assad. Hama, with 350,000 inhabitants, was identified by Assad as the HQ of the Brotherhood.

After warning that anyone who remained in Hama would be considered a rebel, the Syrian army bombed and shelled the city for 3 weeks. Death & torture squads were then unleashed. Estimates of the numbers killed range from 7,000 to 40,000.

By comparison with this, Israel's attack on Gaza looks positively effeminate.

But fashionable showbiz folk haver never heard of Hama.

Is it all right for Arabs to kill Arabs - and only bad when Israel does it?

Not my words, but The Mail On Sunday's
(furthermore, the Israeli's leaflet Gaza where they will strike. Hamas just fires weapons to Israel indiscriminantly)

Not your words but the words of one of the most right wing political writers published in by far the most right wing British newspaper.
 




raymondbriggs

New member
Dec 21, 2008
1,579
on a snowman plough
steve foster's chief inspiration and aspiration.

Joseph Goebbels - Propaganda Principles

GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.

2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.

b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.

c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences

3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.

4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence

b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions

c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself

d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity

5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign

6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.

9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.

10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.

11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.

12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness

14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses

b. They must be capable of being easily learned

c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations

d. They must be boomerang-proof

15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat

b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves

17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated

b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective

18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.

19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.
 


Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,526
The arse end of Hangleton
How, on earth are Alfred the Great & Westdean Seagull so THICK?

At least I know how to spell WESTDENE - clearly shows you're not really a Brighton fan as you'd know how to spell the suburb names of Brighton. AND you've got this thread to refer to on how to spell WESTDENE !!!

f***ing Jewish idiot !!! No better than the Nazis !!!!!
 


At least I know how to spell WESTDENE - clearly shows you're not really a Brighton fan as you'd know how to spell the suburb names of Brighton. AND you've got this thread to refer to on how to spell WESTDENE !!!

f***ing Jewish idiot !!! No better than the Nazis !!!!!

Not Jewish, not Israeli, but I will beat the f*** out of you at Withdean.
South stand block D is where I sit.

Woops......I am sure that you never go to the games, because you spend all your time on this site spouting off inaccurate information you sad little nimby from Withdean.

Piss off to your Arab loving country and then your views will change as there is no democracy or free thinking within most of them
 


looney

Banned
Jul 7, 2003
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algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
The only language they know.
 

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algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
I'm proud of this picture.
 

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Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,526
The arse end of Hangleton
Not Jewish, not Israeli, but I will beat the f*** out of you at Withdean.
South stand block D is where I sit.

Woops......I am sure that you never go to the games, because you spend all your time on this site spouting off inaccurate information you sad little nimby from Withdean.

Piss off to your Arab loving country and then your views will change as there is no democracy or free thinking within most of them

Ohhh - aren't we hard !!! Then I should have guessed that as an Israeli supporter you'd want to resort to violence !!!!!!! What was it about swearing you mentioned in a previous post ??? What on earth makes me a nimby ? You're the propaganda machine for the worlds new Nazis aren't you ? You really are a complete uneducated twat aren't you ? Probably about 21 and a student layabout ?

And you're wrong - I've seen 95% of the games at Withdean since we moved there !!! And 100's of games at The Goldstone.

Up the Palenstinians and death to the murderers of young children.
 








algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Can't we all play nicely and have a debate ???
 










algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Is it possible to remain a neutral on this subject

No you can't otherwise you wouldn't post on this thread.How can you remain neutral on a topic like this?
 


Don Quixote

Well-known member
Nov 4, 2008
8,362
We haven't actually seen the full scale of the violence so i don't think anyone can really comment about it...
 




coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
No you can't otherwise you wouldn't post on this thread.How can you remain neutral on a topic like this?

I posted as both opinions appeared to be entrenched in what appears to be a rather bitter war of words. Now I am no lover of Islam but I am aware of the terrible suffering of the Palestinians. I am also aware of the terrorism that Israel is subjected too. To me the whole thing is a terrible tragedy.
 


chip

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
1,313
Glorious Goodwood
I'm proud of this picture.

I quite like that picture too Algie.

I also liked the picture of Palestinians in London throwing missiles at the police outside the Israeli embassy on a peace protest. Seems like anti-semitism is a popular pastime in this country and quite a few practitioners on here. Shalom.
 


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