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War in Middle East - part XXVVVII







Alfred the greatx

Cake anyone, bit overdone
Jun 15, 2008
143
The USA, UK & Russia are fully behind Israel.
To have missiles lobbed into your country on a daily basis for the last 8 years is unacceptable. The Israelis should have gone in earlier. Now that they are there, they must finish the job to the end.

What Alfred the Great & Westdene Seagull think is irrelevant to Israel, I am sure!.

In fact I will be on this site longer than these individuals, so may I suggest guys that you extend your energies to the Albion & support from the stands instead? Otherwise every rant that you make will be counteracted by me & others....................

Whoops, sorry to go back to one I've allready answered but I missed the bit about " finish the job to the end " My god man do you have any idea how similar that sounds to the final solution? What are you advocating, neuclear weapons on a defenceless population? Genocide, the extermination of the population of Gaza? Would get rid of the problem wouldn't it.
Are you really proposing extermination of all those poor people that have suffered all these years under Israels harsh overlordship?
 


ME showing myself up - that's rich coming from a racist !!!!

We're talking about Palestinians and Israelis here - not Muslims and Jews - there is a difference you know.

The reason Mr Foster is a cvnt is that you shouldn't bring politics into sport. Remember the booing the local councillors got when they shared the lime light with the Championship win squad on Hove Town Hall balcony ? The two don't mix !!! Fair enough he has every right to go but he shouldn't bring the Albion into it.

How sad that you have to revert to swearing. Have I ever once expressed a profanity to you? May I suggest that we BOTH stop putting replies onto this thread as well. We are clearly at odds with each other on this topic.

And yes I will be taking my Albion scarf to tomorrows rally in rememberance of Robert Eaton who was killed on 9/11 by yes, Arab extremists.

Peace to all. Israel will bring peace as well as the UK & USA in other parts of the Middle East by regrettably force.
 


algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Hamas,sunni and all the other muslims factions are despicable to which lengths they go to to cause mass fatalities and media attention.
Of course it's got everying to do with Jews/Muslims Westdean.Who do you think is funding and supplying arms to Hamas?
Who remembers Muslim fanatics putting suicide vests on two women with down syndrome and then sent them into a busy market place in Iraq?

ps
Why am i a racist Westdean? Please explain..
 


Whoops, sorry to go back to one I've allready answered but I missed the bit about " finish the job to the end " My god man do you have any idea how similar that sounds to the final solution? What are you advocating, neuclear weapons on a defenceless population? Genocide, the extermination of the population of Gaza? Would get rid of the problem wouldn't it.
Are you really proposing extermination of all those poor people that have suffered all these years under Israels harsh overlordship?

Of course not, I suspect Gaza will end up like Northern Ireland, with Israeli, UN & coalition troops on the streets, until Hamas is gone. Don't forget that most of the Palestinians do not want Hamas either & they are in a civil war with Fatah.
 




Alfred the greatx

Cake anyone, bit overdone
Jun 15, 2008
143
How sad that you have to revert to swearing. Have I ever once expressed a profanity to you? May I suggest that we BOTH stop putting replies onto this thread as well. We are clearly at odds with each other on this topic.

And yes I will be taking my Albion scarf to tomorrows rally in rememberance of Robert Eaton who was killed on 9/11 by yes, Arab extremists.

Peace to all. Israel will bring peace as well as the UK & USA in other parts of the Middle East by regrettably force.

Different outlooks aside, could you please explain the last sentance, how Israel will bring peace to the UK by force?
 




Raphael Meade

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
4,128
Ex-Shoreham
How sad that you have to revert to swearing. Have I ever once expressed a profanity to you? May I suggest that we BOTH stop putting replies onto this thread as well. We are clearly at odds with each other on this topic.

And yes I will be taking my Albion scarf to tomorrows rally in rememberance of Robert Eaton who was killed on 9/11 by yes, Arab extremists.

Peace to all. Israel will bring peace as well as the UK & USA in other parts of the Middle East by regrettably force.

i for one am incredibly offended that you're using the tragic death of an albion fan to try and promote your ridiculous arguments and madness.

please, please, PLEASE f*** off.

and as for 'israel is better than its enemies', i think you'll find its that sort of attitude that has earned you so many enemies.
 




Peace to Israel, the West & to all people who sanctify life

That's the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read in a sentence.
Fact.
Sanctify life? My word, Israel are counting 1 of their lives as sacred for 100 of anyone else. That's the way to spread the good word about Israel!
That'll be 100, times the surviving members of their family who will absolutely own a vow of hatred in their guts for the children Israel murder.

You want to swear blind allegiance to a country that has fcuk-all to do with you (unless you were born and raised there) then fvck off over there.
 
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Alfred the greatx

Cake anyone, bit overdone
Jun 15, 2008
143
Of course not, I suspect Gaza will end up like Northern Ireland, with Israeli, UN & coalition troops on the streets, until Hamas is gone. Don't forget that most of the Palestinians do not want Hamas either & they are in a civil war with Fatah.

No possible comparison. NI never had foreign or UN troops on the streets and if most of the Palestinians do not want Hamas why did they win the democratic election?

Israel is also split, between the secular majority and the ultra orthadox minority yet the few carry the most power.
 


algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
No possible comparison. NI never had foreign or UN troops on the streets and if most of the Palestinians do not want Hamas why did they win the democratic election?

Israel is also split, between the secular majority and the ultra orthadox minority yet the few carry the most power.


A better comparison would be Cyprus.
 




so what do you mean by zionist and why are you not one?

I have explained what I mean by Zionist, I am not one because I am a Roman Catholic. The one true faith.
 


Robot Chicken

Seriously?
Jul 5, 2003
13,154
Chicken World
I have explained what I mean by Zionist, I am not one because I am a Roman Catholic. The one true faith.

Catholicism was just a sect of Judaism though.

Some traditionalist Catholics maintain that Jews are to be damned unless they convert to Christianity.

Yes, a very sensible point from Wikipedia.
 


Man of Harveys

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
18,874
Brighton, UK
Funny how it's always seems to be muslims at the center of world conflicts.
Oh the laughable and cretinously-ignorant irony: funny then how the last world conflict - which in turn led directly to the current situation in the Middle East - was nothing whatsoever to do with Muslims but everything to do with bigoted right-wing animals, whose views I suspect a fellow sad little bigot like yourself would entirely endorse.
 




That's the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read in a sentence.
Fact.
Sanctify life? My word, Israel are counting 1 of their lives as sacred for 100 of anyone else. That's the way to spread the good word about Israel!
That'll be 100, times the surviving members of their family who will absolutely own a vow of hatred in their guts for the children Israel murder.

You want to swear blind allegiance to a country that has fcuk-all to do with you (unless you were born and raised there) then fvck off over there.

..........It's called War of Terror. We live in harmony & safety in the UK.
Don't forget our troops are in Iraq & Afghanistan to preserve order, protect the majority to peace & to lay a foundation for a good life. We are not trying to convert these nations to Christianity. We are several thousand miles away, Israel is next door to some of these nations. Israel deserves our support. Just like what the US & UK are doing in the Middle East might not be pallatible, the alternative is unthinkable. Israel does not want to be in their land anymore than us in the Middle East. I cannot believe how you cannot see the bigger picture
 


That's the biggest load of bullshit I have ever read in a sentence.
Fact.
Sanctify life? My word, Israel are counting 1 of their lives as sacred for 100 of anyone else. That's the way to spread the good word about Israel!
That'll be 100, times the surviving members of their family who will absolutely own a vow of hatred in their guts for the children Israel murder.

You want to swear blind allegiance to a country that has fcuk-all to do with you (unless you were born and raised there) then fvck off over there.

Your picture logo of Hitler, says it all about you. Shame on you
 


Half Time Pies

Well-known member
Sep 7, 2003
1,575
Brighton
After reading some of the extreme views on here I thought I would post this article from the times by Rabbi Michael Lerner which I think gives a more balanced view of the current conflict:

From The Times
January 5, 2009

Israel's attempt to wipe out Hamas is understandable, but stupid. No country in the world is going to ignore the provocation of rockets being launched from neighbouring territory day after day. If Mexico had a group of anti-imperialists bombing Texas, imagine how long it would take for America to mobilise a counterattack. Israel has every right to respond.

But the kind of response matters. Killing 500 Palestinians and wounding 2,000 others (at the time of writing) is disproportionate. Hamas can harass, but it cannot pose any threat to the existence of Israel. And just as Hamas's indiscriminate bombing of population centres is a crime against humanity, so is Israel's killing of civilians (at least 130 so far in Gaza, not to mention the thousands in the years of the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza).

Hamas had respected the previously negotiated ceasefire except when Israel used it as cover to make assassination raids. Hamas argued that these raids were hardly a manifestation of a ceasefire, and so as symbolic protest it would allow the release of rocket fire (usually hitting no targets). But when the issue of continuing the ceasefire came up, Hamas wanted a guarantee that these assassination raids would stop. And it asked for more. With hundreds of thousands of Palestinians facing acute malnutrition, Hamas insists that the borders be opened so that food can arrive unimpeded. And in return for the captured Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit, it asks for the release of 1,000 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel.

Hamas has made it clear that it would accept the terms of the Saudi Arabian peace agreement, though it would never formally recognise Israel. It would live peacefully in a two-state arrangement, but it would never acknowledge Israel's “right to exist”. This position is unnecessarily provocative, and is deeply self-destructive for Palestinians who believe it is the only symbolic weapon they have left.

How do we get out of this destructive spiral? The first step is for the world to demand an immediate ceasefire. That ceasefire should be imposed by the United Nations and backed unequivocally by America. Its terms must include the following:

— Hamas stops all firing of missiles, bombs or any other violent action originating from the West Bank or Gaza, and co-operates in actively jailing anyone from any faction that breaks this ceasefire.

— Israel stops all bombing, targeted assassinations or any other violent actions aimed at activists, militants, or suspected terrorists in the West Bank or Gaza, and uses the full force of its army to prevent any further attacks on Palestinians.

— Israel opens the border with Gaza and allows free access to and from Israel, subject only to full search and seizure of any weapons. Israel allows free travel of food, gas, electricity, water and consumer goods and materials including from land, air, and sea, subject only to full search and seizure of any weapons or materials typically used for weapons.

— Israel releases all Palestinians in detention and returns them to the West Bank or Gaza according to the choice of the detainees or prisoners. Hamas releases Gilad Schalit and anyone else being held by Palestinian forces.

— Both sides invite an international force to implement these agreements

— Both sides agree to end teaching and/or advocacy of violence against the other side in and outside mosques, educational institutions, and the media.

— This ceasefire would last for 20 years. Nato, the UN, and the US all agree to enforce this agreement and impose severe sanctions in the event of any violations.

These steps would make a huge difference, isolate the most radical members of each side from the mainstream, and make it possible to then begin negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians on a broader and deeper set of issues.

The basic condition for creating peace is to help each side feel “safe”. A first and critical step is to speak in a language that is empathic toward the suffering of each people in a climate of discourse in which both sides' stories are heard and understood.

Yet Israel, as the militarily superior power, ought to take the first steps: implementing a massive Marshall Plan in Gaza and in the West Bank to end poverty and unemployment, rebuild infrastructure and encourage investment; dismantle the settlements or make settlers become citizens of a Palestinian state; accept 30,000 Palestinian refugees annually back into Israel for the next 30 years, apologise for its role in the 1948 expulsions and offer to co-ordinate a worldwide compensation effort for all that Palestinians lost during the Occupation; and recognise a Palestinian state within borders already defined by the Geneva Accord of 2003.

This is the only way Israel will ever achieve security. It is the only way to permanently defeat Hamas and all extremists who wish to see endless war against Israel.

The most significant contribution the new Obama administration could make to Middle East peace would be to embrace a strategy that homeland security is best achieved not by military or economic domination but by generosity and caring for others. If this new way of thinking could become a serious part of US policy, it would have an immense impact on undermining the fearful consciousness of Israelis who still see the world more through the frame of the Holocaust and previous persecutions than through the frame of their actual present power in the world.

It breaks my heart to see the terrible suffering in Gaza and in Israel. As a religious Jew I find it all the worse, because it confirms to me how easy it is to pervert the loving message of Judaism into a message of hatred and domination. I remain in mourning for the Jewish people, for Israel and for the world.

Rabbi Michael Lerner is editor of Tikkun magazine.
 


The Cardinal

Bishop of Withdean
Sep 2, 2008
228
St Peters
Hamas,sunni and all the other muslims factions are despicable to which lengths they go to to cause mass fatalities and media attention.
Of course it's got everying to do with Jews/Muslims Westdean.Who do you think is funding and supplying arms to Hamas?
Who remembers Muslim fanatics putting suicide vests on two women with down syndrome and then sent them into a busy market place in Iraq?

ps
Why am i a racist Westdean? Please explain..

Those of us that are probably a bit older than you can remember 30 years of Christian fanatics nail bombing people, blowing up pubs, etc.

Those Prods, Catholics and all the other Christian factions are despicable the which lengths they go to cause mass fatalities and media attention.
 








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