Vote Tory for a..umm...err..we sort of might have a sort of referendum on Europe.

[Westdene Seagull]

A coalition with who?? About the best they could possibly do, and even then, its doubtful, is putting themselves ahead of libdems

You seem to care a lot about and "know" a lot about a party you neither support or consider a serious party !

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

sorry you are wrong,where there is a will there is a way,especially where money is concerned.
trade agreements can be reached within months if not weeks.

saying decades is just silly unless you think a decade means a week

The 'way' will be the UK's Businesses being subject to trade tariffs and restrictions, making their products appear either uncompetitive or expensive by comparison with those from EU members.

 

[User removed 4]

OK Bushy....you go ahead and believe that there is the SLIGHTEST chance that UKIP will be in any coalition with the tories with Cameron as leader....good luck.

I asked you WHY , particularly , this wont be the case.

 

[HovaGirl]

It is also hilarious that once again Europe is dividing the Tory party.

As an aside Cameron has boxed himself into a well stupid position. If he calls the veto in the current EU negotiations then the vote breaks down to a simple majority which he will loose. If he does not use the veto he does not get what he wants. He is also in a awful position with his own country and the UK business leaders. He's not very savvy is he?

I don't know, because once the UK starts arguing against so much European interference, other countries might have the courage to do so as well. The German people love Europe, but they are not happy about the way it's going. Greece feels like it's disappearing down a dark hole, and the people desperately want to leave. The only countries really happy about being in Europe, are the poorer countries, because the richer countries just pour the money in to support them.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The 'way' will be the UK's Businesses being subject to trade tariffs and restrictions, making their products appear either uncompetitive or expensive by comparison with those from EU members.

No, that's what FTAs remove.

 

[daveinprague]

I asked you WHY , particularly , this wont be the case.

Because Farage has said so previously, and Cameron doesnt take Farage seriously

 

[User removed 4]

The 'way' will be the UK's Businesses being subject to trade tariffs and restrictions, making their products appear either uncompetitive or expensive by comparison with those from EU members.

Is there a law that says we cant introduce tariffs on the greater quantity of goods we buy from europe ? Or do you think that there is a chance that we may have trade agreements ?

 

[beorhthelm]

Plus the Swiss still have to abide with EU regulation when trading with EU member states. Just as the UK would if it ever decided to leave.

The reality is that the Swiss, and Norwegians, have to absorb all the costs associated with meeting these regulations without having any say in how those regulations are formulated. It's a huge additional cost on their Economy and makes their prices seem extremely uncompetitive by comparison with suppliers from EU member states, simply because their businesses all have to play 'catch up'.

typical of the pro -EU... it might be technically valid but zero sum game. their costs to comply on the outside are the same as ours on the inside. we have minimal say in regulations, sometimes our superiour standards are overruled for some other countries interests (fire extingisher colour springs to mind).

The 'way' will be the UK's Businesses being subject to trade tariffs and restrictions, making their products appear either uncompetitive or expensive by comparison with those from EU members.

as net importers from the EU, and the backdrop of global free trade, its highly unlikly we'd enter into tariffs and restrictions with the EU. we'd also be able to be more competitve with trading partners outside the EU where we could drop existing EU imposed tariffs and restrictions. for example it is currently cheaper to import ready made electronics than import the compents (tariffs imposed to protect EU manufacturers) and make the product here.

 

[daveinprague]

You seem to care a lot about and "know" a lot about a party you neither support or consider a serious party !

comes from researching racists, and racism I guess.

 

[User removed 4]

Because Farage has said so previously, and Cameron doesnt take Farage seriously

I was hoping you'd say that , so in future ANYTHING Farage says should be taken as gospel and the complete truth , yes ? Or is it only when it suits your argument ? Can you let me know ?

 

[Camicus]

Wow theres a lot of missinformation and misconceptions out there. The US and the commonwealth have both said that we need to stay in the EU if we dont they will find trade partners who are. If we leave the EU why would they give us a FTA? our economy will be in the shit whats left of our industry will leave these shores for a EU member that will allow free movement within the EU not some trade partner whos only role is to add another link and more expence.

In short we are far better off within Europe than out.

What if we sacked westminsiter and were ruled from Brussles everywhere had the same systems armed forces laws health education police?

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

But we've been trading with these countries already. It's not like meeting a new car mechanic, it's more like saying to an old mechanic "hi we both obviously trust one another, shall we cut out the middle man and I'll come to you direct from now on?", if the middle man happened to be taking £10bn in agent fees from you every year.

Errr, the mechanic still happens to be dealing with the middle man, as will you. Direct contact won't be possible.

UK will be arranging it's trade agreements with the EU, not with individual member states - or hadn't that occured to you?

 

[yxee]

Wow theres a lot of missinformation and misconceptions out there. The US and the commonwealth have both said that we need to stay in the EU if we dont they will find trade partners who are. If we leave the EU why would they give us a FTA? our economy will be in the shit whats left of our industry will leave these shores for a EU member that will allow free movement within the EU not some trade partner whos only role is to add another link and more expence.

In short we are far better off within Europe than out.

What if we sacked westminsiter and were ruled from Brussles everywhere had the same systems armed forces laws health education police?

Where have the US and the commonwealth said this? Are you sure it's not just a random senator going for a headline? They would give us an FTA because they want an FTA from us- it's not a gift, it's a two-way thing.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Why would we want "influence" on an area we merely wanted to trade with ? I cant imagine whether or not chocolate contains a certain percentage of cocoa solids as per european directive 22455678/afghyyu12 would be uppermost in most peoples minds.

Because you have to abide by those directives, or your product gets stopped at the Customs and impounded?

 

[User removed 4]

Because you have to abide by those directives, or your product gets stopped at the Customs and impounded?

I was talking about goods coming the other way.

 

[JCL666]

We have friends other than Europe: the Commonwealth and the USA. Our little tiny island nation crept out from its cold North Sea backwater many centuries ago, and dominated much of the world. Europe didn't like that one bit and after centuries of waging wars against us, they changed their tactic and succeeded in ruling us politically by subterfuge. We should go back to what we voted for in 1975.

That's an interesting take on world history. Europe has never as an entity waged war on our country.

I think you'll find that the countries of Europe (including us) actually waged war on each other and we formed various alliances with them.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Is there a law that says we cant introduce tariffs on the greater quantity of goods we buy from europe ? Or do you think that there is a chance that we may have trade agreements ?

Hmm import tariffs, doesn't that mean higher prices ? Whilst you might be able to smugly pay more for imported goods on principle, the white working classes will be hit hardest once again by this ridiculous policy.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

We have friends other than Europe: the Commonwealth and the USA. Our little tiny island nation crept out from its cold North Sea backwater many centuries ago, and dominated much of the world. Europe didn't like that one bit and after centuries of waging wars against us, they changed their tactic and succeeded in ruling us politically by subterfuge. We should go back to what we voted for in 1975.

It's not about who we are friends with, it's about who we (historically) trade and fight wars with.

The EFTA exists so we can trade freely with our Geographically nearest neighbours.

The EU exists so we don't ever again have to declare war on our Geographically nearest neighbours.

We are never going to declare war on either the US or a member of the Commonwealth.........

( I'm beginning to think that those who are desperate for us to exit the EU are the same people who wish WW I and WW II had never ended ).

 

[User removed 4]

Hmm import tariffs, doesn't that mean higher prices ? Whilst you might be able to smugly pay more for imported goods on principle, the white working classes will be hit hardest once again by this ridiculous policy.

Sorry, I obviously didn't realise that there is a law against us agreeing to mutually do away with tariffs .

 

[dingodan]

What if we sacked westminsiter and were ruled from Brussles everywhere had the same systems armed forces laws health education police?

That is exactly the plan.