Vote Tory for a..umm...err..we sort of might have a sort of referendum on Europe.

[User removed 4]

I have thanks.

"Have " being the operative word, and soon left for somewhere a lot nicer when my kids reached school age/ I realised that living in an area with a high percentage of immigrants isnt as cool or " vibrant" as I thought it'd be when we talked about it in the common room.

 

[User removed 4]

and then do exactly that! hahahahaha

Snigger !!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What I find strange it's always the pro-EU camp that manage to bring this discussion round to some sort to racist agenda yet accuse the anti-EU camp of being racist !

 

[Deleted member 22389]

My biggest frustration with mass immigration is what it has done to the labour market. The supply of labour has gone through the roof so this has depressed wages. Ever wondered why so many people are feeling the pinch these days? This is a big part of that.

Your right. And I no longer buy this argument that they are doing the jobs we don't want to do. We where all doing these jobs way before our borders where open. What's changed is that wages being offered by companies, have now been driven down. Just another aspect of where immigration has gone wrong in this country.

 

[The Spanish]

Snigger !!

its the "Daily Mail" comments that are always the giveaway. You know they arent going to run rings around you if they use Daily Mail as parroted shorthand for for some ill defined attitudes that arent cool.

 

[HovaGirl]

Thanks for clarifying that you were referring to any nation state that has origins in Europe. Now can you explain what on earth that has to do with our EU membership?

As I am fairly sure that there is no correlation between the Vikings and our EU membership.

During the expansion of the British Empire, the heirs of Napoleon and of the Holy Roman Empire were so envious of Britain's ability to rule so much of the world and become rich through trade, that they thought they'd try it themselves. They poked about in Africa and the Caribbean to try and forge their own French and German colonies, and succeeded, to a small extent, but not on the scale little Britain had. And unlike Napoleon and Charlemagne, who had battled their way to domination of Europe, Britain had achieved world domination comparatively peacefully. That Britain had so much power still rankled with France and Germany as recently as the 1950s and De Gaulle deliberately refused to allow Britain to join the EEC because he wanted Britain on the sidelines to curb her power. We've always had a love-hate relationship with France, but France is terrified of Germany, and needed the respected ally of Britain to cub German power in the EEC, and we were allowed to join the Common Market. But Germany still dominates. The Holy Roman Empire lives on, currently under Frau Merkel.

As to the Scandinavians, they were never of European importance, although the North Men did get to Normandy, and then invade us, and while various marauding Germanic peoples founded our Anglo-Saxon heritage, gave England its name and the basis of our language, it was the Scandinavians who influenced us the most. (But I only made those comments in response to something else you said, not in direct response to "reasons for the EU".)

 

[HovaGirl]

You appear to be bragging about an instance where you were able to make people unemployed via constructive dismissal.

There's a big difference between explaining to people that a company is in a bad way and redundancies will be necessary and the situation that you claim to have engineered.

I wasn't bragging and I didn't engineer the situation. The company wasn't in a bad way but needed to cut costs in a recession, as all companies have to from time to time. It's a global company which is still going strong. Employers aren't charities or social clubs, they are places of work. If they lose money and have to close down, then nobody has a job. If they cut costs and keep going, they may be able to employ more people at a later date.

 

[User removed 4]

During the expansion of the British Empire, the heirs of Napoleon and of the Holy Roman Empire were so envious of Britain's ability to rule so much of the world and become rich through trade, that they thought they'd try it themselves. They poked about in Africa and the Caribbean to try and forge their own French and German colonies, and succeeded, to a small extent, but not on the scale little Britain had. And unlike Napoleon and Charlemagne, who had battled their way to domination of Europe, Britain had achieved world domination comparatively peacefully. That Britain had so much power still rankled with France and Germany as recently as the 1950s and De Gaulle deliberately refused to allow Britain to join the EEC because he wanted Britain on the sidelines to curb her power. We've always had a love-hate relationship with France, but France is terrified of Germany, and needed the respected ally of Britain to cub German power in the EEC, and we were allowed to join the Common Market. But Germany still dominates. The Holy Roman Empire lives on, currently under Frau Merkel.

As to the Scandinavians, they were never of European importance, although the North Men did get to Normandy, and then invade us, and while various marauding Germanic peoples founded our Anglo-Saxon heritage, gave England its name and the basis of our language, it was the Scandinavians who influenced us the most. (But I only made those comments in response to something else you said, not in direct response to "reasons for the EU".)

I dont know about the love part !!

 

[HovaGirl]

This post is like a tag line for the Dailly mail.

I presume that is supposed to be an insult, but in any case, it's a lot longer than a tag-line. It's just my observations, nothing which I've read in any newspaper. Perhaps the Daily Mail (originally published as a jingoistic paper) just thinks along the same lines I do.

 

[JCL666]

and then do exactly that! hahahahaha

Er.... I posted a link to an article that refutes the telegraph article in an attempt to highlight that using multiple media sources (e.g the Telegraph and the Guardian) may give a better indication of what actually happened.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I presume that is supposed to be an insult, but in any case, it's a lot longer than a tag-line. It's just my observations, nothing which I've read in any newspaper. Perhaps the Daily Mail (originally published as a jingoistic paper) just thinks along the same lines I do.

I wouldn't worry - he nor any pro-EU's have actually put forward an intelligent well argued case for staying in the EU yet. As usual their responses to a proposal to leave are to attack those that think it's a good idea. The best they can come up with is "it'll be a disaster if we leave", "what will happen to all those Brits that live abroad", "what will happen to all the non-Brits living here" etc etc - no real argument as to why we should stay. They remind me of people at work that always find problems and moan about them rather than coming up with constructive solutions.

 

[HovaGirl]

Most of the ex-pats returning are those 'master builders/plumbers etc' who landed here in the 1990's to earn a 'quick buck'. Not only gaining a bad reputation they didn't pay into the social security system [Spain] & found themselves without any form of benefits & savings when the tough times came. It's far nicer here without them & us pensioners spend our hard earned pensions into the Spanish economy without taking a penny from their's. If a UK pensioner says they could not afford to live here then God help them upon returning to the UK!

As an aside, my daughter has recently returned after spending the last 3 years in Australia. Her husband walked out on her & she found it impossible to remain with the cost of living there. Upon returning to the UK in early December last, to sleep on our son & daughter in laws living room floor, she went to the Job Centre to register for work & maybe some help. All the help she was offered was to credit her NI contributions. No offer of anything else, and no she didn't really expect anything, but I wonder if she had arrived in the UK from elsewhere in the world if the response would have been the same?

Regarding your daughter's experience, exactly. I've returned from abroad, don't have a job and can't collect dole.

I don't know that "most" of those returning ex-pats are builders, but many of them might be. Most of them are pensioners who sold their UK house to buy a place in the sun, having watched too many TV programmes about how idyllic it all is. Abroad, their UK pension doesn't rise with inflation, and any odd jobs they may have had, in bars, hotels, wherever, to supplement their meagre income, have dried up due to the growing unemployment in those sunny countries. Others may be near-pensioners who have lost their jobs in the sun for the same economic reasons. Most of those people have paid into the UK system for decades.

 

[HovaGirl]

Hilarious. Mass immigration is a political connivance used to increase Labour votes....

Indeed. Labour admitted to it.

 

[JCL666]

"Have " being the operative word, and soon left for somewhere a lot nicer when my kids reached school age/ I realised that living in an area with a high percentage of immigrants isnt as cool or " vibrant" as I thought it'd be when we talked about it in the common room.

Not at all, I was very settled in that area. I moved for reasons completely unrelated to those youve alluded to.

But hey keep making stuff up if it makes you feel better. Hiw you getting on with your anal sex and Africans?

 

[JCL666]

Indeed. Labour admitted to it.

No they didn't.

 

[HovaGirl]

Oh hello Bushy

The "levelling out" is not the reason why this country is experiencing financial problems. There is A GLOBAL recession.

There are several different recessions going on in different countries for different reasons. It is the knock-on effect of all these recessions which makes it global. For the UK, the three main causes of our own recession are:
1. We pay out more in benefits than we receive for it in taxes.
2. The banks mucked up
3. We pay too much money to other countries, either to bail out European countries, or as a member of the European Club, or in aid to growing economies such as India and others, or in benefits to immigrants and asylum-seekers who have not contributed to the system themselves.
Basically, the UK is paying out far more than it receives. It needs to reduce its outgoings, or increase its income. At the moment, it can do neither.

 

[User removed 4]

Not at all, I was very settled in that area. I moved for reasons completely unrelated to those youve alluded to.But hey keep making stuff up if it makes you feel better. Hiw you getting on with your anal sex and Africans?

Course you did , you're like those southern man utd or liverpool fans who use the remotest links to justify their suppport, and you'll use any reason but the real ones to justify your reason for moving.

 

[JCL666]

I wouldn't worry - he nor any pro-EU's have actually put forward an intelligent well argued case for staying in the EU yet. As usual their responses to a proposal to leave are to attack those that think it's a good idea. The best they can come up with is "it'll be a disaster if we leave", "what will happen to all those Brits that live abroad", "what will happen to all the non-Brits living here" etc etc - no real argument as to why we should stay. They remind me of people at work that always find problems and moan about them rather than coming up with constructive solutions.

Brilliant. Where in this thread have I said I am pro EU?

Or moaned?

 

[JCL666]

There are several different recessions going on in different countries for different reasons. It is the knock-on effect of all these recessions which makes it global. For the UK, the three main causes of our own recession are:
1. We pay out more in benefits than we receive for it in taxes.
2. The banks mucked up
3. We pay too much money to other countries, either to bail out European countries, or as a member of the European Club, or in aid to growing economies such as India and others, or in benefits to immigrants and asylum-seekers who have not contributed to the system themselves.
Basically, the UK is paying out far more than it receives. It needs to reduce its outgoings, or increase its income. At the moment, it can do neither.

Ah so it's a number of factors.......

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Brilliant. Where in this thread have I said I am pro EU?

Or moaned?

Given all you've done is snipe at other posters I'll concede you might not be pro-EU but you've added nothing to the debate.