That simply isn't true, Timmy. The Palestinians wanted the Palestinian quarter of Jerusalem to be the captial of the new Palestinian state - and the Israeli's flatly rejected it. At the point the Clinton administration might have flexed some real political muscle to make it happen. Instead, they dithered and allowed the truce situation to become tense - which then tuirned into a bloodbath when a right wing Israeli policitician ignored everyone out of spite and prayed in the Palestinian quarter on the site of the 3rd most important muslim landmark in the world.Stumpy Tim said:
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uh oh . . . I can see a family feud coming on 
personally I think strict religion is only one rung from extremism.
As far as Britain is concerned if you want to live here you should adapt or die, I don't mean literally, but if you don't make a proper attempt to integrate how can you possibly be expect to be accepted, on the whole Brits are fairly simple folk, and freindly too so it can't be that hard!
personally I think strict religion is only one rung from extremism.
As far as Britain is concerned if you want to live here you should adapt or die, I don't mean literally, but if you don't make a proper attempt to integrate how can you possibly be expect to be accepted, on the whole Brits are fairly simple folk, and freindly too so it can't be that hard!
Tom Bombadil
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Theatre of Trees said:
Which grew out of the Sunni branch of the faith in the 18th century. Very popular in Saudi Arabia which is why so many of the Twin Towers terrorists came from there.
aftershavedave
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zefarelly said:
i'm with you zef, but maybe even stronger, i feel that religion is the greatest threat to peace on earth.
as somebody once said "religion is the hiding place of the weak-minded" or something like that.
Thanks afters, and I probably think a little stronger than I typed, you can argue that religion is the root of all evil< BUT as Stumpy TIm and others have said, if it wasnt that it'd be something else . . . Ford vs GM, Marmite Vs vegemite or what ever 
Dave the OAP
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last night, a group of muslim lads in Leeds were interviewed on the TV ( Channel 4 News)
They all expressed some sort of regret for the bombing, but their main concern was that they had lost a friend, ie the bomber.
the middle one said that he could understand what had happened and in Leeds area there were in his opinion many more who would be prepared to do the same. They all equated it to what is happening in Iraq - in that muslim children were dying and it was all our fault
I wanted to ask him....." whist it is dreadful that you have lost your friend, your friend chose to end his life, what choice did the people on the bus and in the tubes who died have?"
The thing is in Ireland, the IRA had/have a mission, that is/was to have one united Ireland. These people do not have a single purpose. Its not just Afghanistan and Iraq is it? If it was, how do we explain the massacres in Kenya etc
They all expressed some sort of regret for the bombing, but their main concern was that they had lost a friend, ie the bomber.
the middle one said that he could understand what had happened and in Leeds area there were in his opinion many more who would be prepared to do the same. They all equated it to what is happening in Iraq - in that muslim children were dying and it was all our fault
I wanted to ask him....." whist it is dreadful that you have lost your friend, your friend chose to end his life, what choice did the people on the bus and in the tubes who died have?"
The thing is in Ireland, the IRA had/have a mission, that is/was to have one united Ireland. These people do not have a single purpose. Its not just Afghanistan and Iraq is it? If it was, how do we explain the massacres in Kenya etc
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
The history of it all is forever being conveniently ignored of course. Afghanistan and Iraq are cited as reaons for the bombings, yet would these events have occured if the World Trade Centre hadn't been destroyed, and even that is not the start of it...
As far as I can see all this allegedly 'religious' feuding between Jews Christians and Muslims is pointless, they all worship the SAME God, so all it amounts to is "I worship God better than you". The big fella must be up there shaking his head.
As for what I think of Muslims, well I'm going on holiday with some muslim friends of mine so make your own judgement.
As far as I can see all this allegedly 'religious' feuding between Jews Christians and Muslims is pointless, they all worship the SAME God, so all it amounts to is "I worship God better than you". The big fella must be up there shaking his head.
As for what I think of Muslims, well I'm going on holiday with some muslim friends of mine so make your own judgement.
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Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
3gulls said:Have a nice time in Afganistan or Pakistan! Which part of Scumhurst should we keep away from when you blow yourself up?
We're going to Germany, hope you approve!!
ha ha . . .good reply Curious
Soton Seagull
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As ever the twisting of religous text leads to some form of 'justification' for any lurid act.
Lets have a look at a bit of history: It's not so long ago that humans accepted as fact the world was flat, yet we all know it is not (cue some clown!), however, these religous texts were also written hundreds of years ago when beliefs and understandings were based on very different circumstances to today. To still class as entirely relevant, and to live ones life by such publications, is bizarre in the extreme. Many such people still doubt evolution, as it disproves god putting Adam & Eve on the planet.
As society moves forward, we begin to understand more about our history and the world around us (yep, that one we quite happily destroy!) yet some seem content to live in the dark ages. Using what is essentially historical text to justify actions of the individual is ridiculous, we are all responsible for our own actions and interpretaion of what is right or wrong. On a very base level, to kill another human (who we know exists) on the belief that some higher being (who lets face it may or may not exist - we have no real proof) wishes us to do so, is mental weakness at its peak.
As far as the Muslim issue in the UK. The 'community' is the problem in my eyes. It is right to have associations etc if you are religous, but to regard these groups as their own law makers ('the community will deal with this....' rape/murder/domestic assault etc) rather than to accept the laws of the host nation (or one could go so far as to say THEIR nation) is a dangerous thing. I have Hindu & Jewish friends, but I'm struggling to think of any Muslim ones. I feel this is predominantly down to the self imposed secularism of this group, they do not seem as willing as other groups to mingle with the rest of society, this further leads to a them against usmindset in their youth, and in turn, simplistically I acceot, to last Thursday attacks.
Lets have a look at a bit of history: It's not so long ago that humans accepted as fact the world was flat, yet we all know it is not (cue some clown!), however, these religous texts were also written hundreds of years ago when beliefs and understandings were based on very different circumstances to today. To still class as entirely relevant, and to live ones life by such publications, is bizarre in the extreme. Many such people still doubt evolution, as it disproves god putting Adam & Eve on the planet.
As society moves forward, we begin to understand more about our history and the world around us (yep, that one we quite happily destroy!) yet some seem content to live in the dark ages. Using what is essentially historical text to justify actions of the individual is ridiculous, we are all responsible for our own actions and interpretaion of what is right or wrong. On a very base level, to kill another human (who we know exists) on the belief that some higher being (who lets face it may or may not exist - we have no real proof) wishes us to do so, is mental weakness at its peak.
As far as the Muslim issue in the UK. The 'community' is the problem in my eyes. It is right to have associations etc if you are religous, but to regard these groups as their own law makers ('the community will deal with this....' rape/murder/domestic assault etc) rather than to accept the laws of the host nation (or one could go so far as to say THEIR nation) is a dangerous thing. I have Hindu & Jewish friends, but I'm struggling to think of any Muslim ones. I feel this is predominantly down to the self imposed secularism of this group, they do not seem as willing as other groups to mingle with the rest of society, this further leads to a them against usmindset in their youth, and in turn, simplistically I acceot, to last Thursday attacks.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
zefarelly said:ha ha . . .good reply Curious
Even funnier for being true, we're going to Cologne for a few days - the weekend the Albion are playing in...
Wait for it...
LEEDS!!!!!
thats because 3gulls is quite clearly a racist twat, I like Germany, never been to Cologne though.
I've always thought the Germans are very similar to us in many ways . . .with the exception of humour and buid quality of cheap runabout cars
I've always thought the Germans are very similar to us in many ways . . .with the exception of humour and buid quality of cheap runabout cars