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The Muslim Community
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London Irish
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smudge said:
The opposite is true - they need to start speaking in favour of radicalism far more, so the anger of the youth can be drawn into democratic processes and away from criminal ones.
bhaexpress
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Slightly off topic but what is the long term aim of the terrorists ? Well bow to Islam ? Destruction of the West ? What is their real agenda ?
Edward Scissorhands
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- Feb 20, 2005
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bhaexpress said:
Kill Infidels
bhaexpress
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Referee! said:
I believe (I may be wrong) that Osauna's mob are Shi'ites so does that make Sunis Iinfidels ?
Taken to extremes a whole lot of Christians (and Hindus for that matter) would consider all Moslems Infidels, mad.
sullyupthewing
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They ignore me, I ignore them, no problem.
Theatre of Trees
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bhaexpress said:
They are actually Wahhabis a form of zealous puritanical Islam unpopular with the bulk of Muslims.
Norman Baker suck my lozenge
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What's David Bowies wife gotta do wth it?smudge said:
Deportivo Seagull
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3gulls said:Who did they blow up, or is it just freedom of speach or patriotism that you have a problem with?
nail Bomb in London a few year back. The ar$ehole was a card carrying BNP .....
Dandyman
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3gulls said:You f***ing what Paddy, you think that they should be trying to get a radical muslim state in the UK through political pressure. You really are a complete wanker!
I think LI was saying that young muslims should be encouraged to pursue their agenda via peaceful democratic means rather than violent undemocratic ones.
BTW since when did worshiping a deranged Austrian mass murderer have anything to do with patriotism ?
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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Dandyman said:
Shhhhhhhh. Best not tell him about St George either...
Dandyman
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garry nelsons left foot said:
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
garry nelsons left foot said:
What ... that he could have been a Turk
Stumpy Tim said:
bloody hell Tim, steady on or you'll be up on a charge of racial harassment, and the last thing we need is the flippin Vegemite warriors joining in !
Extremism anywhere will inevitably lead to violence - as the extremists try to put their point across.
The people that carried out the London bombings were no more Muslims than those in Bosnia were Christians - yet they all attended churches/mosques. What's more, when you get some misguided religious leader applauding these acts it gives it just the credibility that the extremists were looking for. I assume that what LI was suggesting was that the Muslim clerics should address the reasons for extremist behaviour in their Mosques, have the matter properly debated in their councils, and let the 'cannon fodder' for extremism take part in the debate. Then, once it had been properly discussed - and a vote or concensus taken, the young and more radical elements would understand that this isn't the way. Instead they are being corrupted by radical clerics (who have an aura of respectability due to their positions) and convinced that there is only one way left to them.
I also believe that the reason this type of extremism and behaviour is prevalent within the Muslim community is because of the way their kids are brought up. They are taught to listen to their parents and do as they say. They are taught that their parents and elders know what's right for them and to trust them - which, in general, they do. This is one reason why arranged marriages are so common - the kids trust their elders and will let them organise every aspect of their lives. From there it's only a short step to letting a Muslim cleric become a pseudo father - and organise their life (or death) in a different way. This guy is an elder, and should be trusted. They point to the relevant pages in the scripture and describe how this is what was intended. From that point the timebomb is literally ticking.
On the other hand, Christian kids in the UK - often from dysfunctional, disinterested or single-parent families, are left to themselves far more. They develop their own thoughts and beliefs. Often they go astray too (the kids that killed James Bulger, raped a schoolteacher and some little girls), but that's mainly because they aren't able to determine by themselves what's right and wrong - not because others are leading them.
But Christian fundamentalism is just as big a problem in the UK, and far more people have been killed as a result. Does anyone here think that Paisley, McGuinness and Adams are truly Christian and have Christian ideals and principles? I'm certain that many people in Ireland believe they do - and also believe that the other side doesn't.
One thing that I do find very disturbing though is a story in one of the papers about extremists in Luton openly canvassing for recruits to their particular sect - which preaches hatred of Christians and advocates violence against them. Surely that should be stopped - it shouldn't be difficult to round them up and charge them against the Religious Incitement laws. And, if I had the power, I'd do the same to some of those in Belfast.
The people that carried out the London bombings were no more Muslims than those in Bosnia were Christians - yet they all attended churches/mosques. What's more, when you get some misguided religious leader applauding these acts it gives it just the credibility that the extremists were looking for. I assume that what LI was suggesting was that the Muslim clerics should address the reasons for extremist behaviour in their Mosques, have the matter properly debated in their councils, and let the 'cannon fodder' for extremism take part in the debate. Then, once it had been properly discussed - and a vote or concensus taken, the young and more radical elements would understand that this isn't the way. Instead they are being corrupted by radical clerics (who have an aura of respectability due to their positions) and convinced that there is only one way left to them.
I also believe that the reason this type of extremism and behaviour is prevalent within the Muslim community is because of the way their kids are brought up. They are taught to listen to their parents and do as they say. They are taught that their parents and elders know what's right for them and to trust them - which, in general, they do. This is one reason why arranged marriages are so common - the kids trust their elders and will let them organise every aspect of their lives. From there it's only a short step to letting a Muslim cleric become a pseudo father - and organise their life (or death) in a different way. This guy is an elder, and should be trusted. They point to the relevant pages in the scripture and describe how this is what was intended. From that point the timebomb is literally ticking.
On the other hand, Christian kids in the UK - often from dysfunctional, disinterested or single-parent families, are left to themselves far more. They develop their own thoughts and beliefs. Often they go astray too (the kids that killed James Bulger, raped a schoolteacher and some little girls), but that's mainly because they aren't able to determine by themselves what's right and wrong - not because others are leading them.
But Christian fundamentalism is just as big a problem in the UK, and far more people have been killed as a result. Does anyone here think that Paisley, McGuinness and Adams are truly Christian and have Christian ideals and principles? I'm certain that many people in Ireland believe they do - and also believe that the other side doesn't.
One thing that I do find very disturbing though is a story in one of the papers about extremists in Luton openly canvassing for recruits to their particular sect - which preaches hatred of Christians and advocates violence against them. Surely that should be stopped - it shouldn't be difficult to round them up and charge them against the Religious Incitement laws. And, if I had the power, I'd do the same to some of those in Belfast.