The Muslim Community

[keaton]

Why does the British way of life need to be viewed in ethnic terms? Britishness is cultural and multi-ethnic, what is needed is for Muslims (and other minorities) to integrate into Britain's multi-ethnic society, instead of trying to change it.

Erm, that doesn't make any sense.

if it's multi-ethnic and cultural then surely they don't have to fit in it just absorbs and changes a little. that's what a multi-cultural society is. Unless it's all other cultures except muslims you mean?

 

[Tooting Gull]

There does seem to be a lack of perspective on the 'backlash'. Some people are saying that is the single most important thing we have to get right, make sure innocent and decent British Muslims don't get attacked by ignorant bigots.

While that is VERY important, it isn't the MOST important. That is to ensure no more bombs go off killing and maiming innocent victims and devastating the lives of their families and friends.

Twin-track approach - great care afforded community relations and prevention of revenge attacks, better understanding of Muslim fears; and then together with that a bit more help for the police from the Muslim community to root out some of these nutters who do not represent them. That way, we all live happily together and feel we are genuinely working towards a similar goal.

 

[Biscuit]

The way I see it everyone pretty much agrees with each other on this subject. The quallerls are about the PC way of saying something.

 

[looney]

But it is obscene surely.

How can the majority of people accept that opinion in a multi-cultural society.

I am not blaming the BNP for this but very concerned about the political gain they will try and make.

Firstly it is debatable wether Britain is or should be Multicultural.

If you are worried about the political gain of the BNP you should take a closer look in both political directions.

If LI is right that harrassing one community looking for a terrorist creates 10 more surely one stupid council banning Hot cross buns creates 10 new BNP members.

The BNP and highly reactionary and feed on resentment. Maybe you should look at what they are resenting and who's causing those problems.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Well, let me start with the British pub serving alcohol, women having equal rights to men, christianity, red London busses, the London Underground, a safe society without the fear of some mad muslim setting-off a bomb, our banking system.... .... ....

A wishlist lifted from a novelty tea-towel. What about Beefeaters?
All those things still exist and are not under threat.

 

[keaton]

If LI is right that harrassing one community looking for a terrorist creates 10 more surely one stupid council banning Hot cross buns creates 10 new BNP members.

The BNP and highly reactionary and feed on resentment. Maybe you should look at what they are resenting and who's causing those problems.

I'm with you looney, let's go and lynch some bakers!

 

[London Irish]

I don't think anyone should be speaking in favour of murder love.

I see, so any Muslim getting involved in politics equates to "murder" then, "love"? My, you do have a fear of the darkies, don't you?

 

[Uncle Buck]

I see, so any Muslim getting involved in politics equates to "murder" then, "love"? My, you do have a fear of the darkies, don't you?

Why oh why do you have to belittle everyone?

 

[looney]

There does seem to be a lack of perspective on the 'backlash'. Some people are saying that is the single most important thing we have to get right, make sure innocent and decent British Muslims don't get attacked by ignorant bigots.

While that is VERY important, it isn't the MOST important. That is to ensure no more bombs go off killing and maiming innocent victims and devastating the lives of their families and friends.

Twin-track approach - great care afforded community relations and prevention of revenge attacks, better understanding of Muslim fears; and then together with that a bit more help for the police from the Muslim community to root out some of these nutters who do not represent them. That way, we all live happily together and feel we are genuinely working towards a similar goal.

agree, but theres alot more 2 it than that. Try to bear in mind that if you tip the muslims over the edge you'll get riots, bombs and eventually repatriation.

Tip the whites over the edge you could get Genocide, BNP government, etc. Its down to numbers, dont f*** with the majority.

 

[Simster]

Firstly it is debatable wether Britain is or should be Multicultural.

If you are worried about the political gain of the BNP you should take a closer look in both political directions.

If LI is right that harrassing one community looking for a terrorist creates 10 more surely one stupid council banning Hot cross buns creates 10 new BNP members.

The BNP and highly reactionary and feed on resentment. Maybe you should look at what they are resenting and who's causing those problems.

LI is right, and so are you. The political classes have brushed working class white resentment under the carpet - which plays into the hands of extremists. I'll never forget Question Time from Oldham about ten years ago when an old white lady dared to suggest she was scared of crossing the road too near "Asian" gangs because of the numerous stories of Asian muggings in the area at the time. The largely white audience all made uncomfortable, embarrassed noises that made her feel like a racist. Consequently the panel felt "let off" from answering the whole question of safety and ethnic tension. I remember feeling pissed off that DIMBLEBY hadn't forced some answers. (He seems all to happy to patronise audience members when they say something at the wrong time)

The bottom line is, minorities need to be protected, but not at the expense of the majority - especially the less well-off section of the majority.

 

[The Wookiee]

Just stumbled across this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1529026,00.html

 

[Curious Orange]

Just stumbled across this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1529026,00.html

Football hooligans communicating over the internet have spoken of the need to put aside partisan support for teams and unite against Muslims. Hooligans from West Ham, Millwall, Crystal Palace and Arsenal are among those seeking to establish common cause.

Tut-tut!!

 

[Hunting 784561]

That article sounds very plausible - until you remember that Crystal Palace dont have any hooligans as such.

Any fule kno they are a bunch of powder puffs.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

This again is a difficult one which obviously LI will have a pithy answer to

And sure enough.....

 

[Uncle Buck]

And sure enough.....

Ohhh there is tension here, this has been built up.....

 

[3gulls]

Erm, that doesn't make any sense.

if it's multi-ethnic and cultural then surely they don't have to fit in it just absorbs and changes a little. that's what a multi-cultural society is. Unless it's all other cultures except muslims you mean?

Read again. I am suggesting that "Britishness" is the culture, and it only changes and indeed should only change, slowly over time. Acceptance into this culture has nothing to do with a member's ethnic background, simply ones willingness to comply with its rules.

 

[3gulls]

Firstly it is debatable wether Britain is or should be Multicultural.

If you are worried about the political gain of the BNP you should take a closer look in both political directions.

If LI is right that harrassing one community looking for a terrorist creates 10 more surely one stupid council banning Hot cross buns creates 10 new BNP members.

The BNP and highly reactionary and feed on resentment. Maybe you should look at what they are resenting and who's causing those problems.

You are right to question if Britain should be multicultural. I do not believe that it should be, or that it is wrong to reject that. We should however, live in a single "British" culture (i.e. within expected behaviour patterns), that embraces people from all ethnic backgrounds, provided thay accept the rules of the culture. Key amongst those rules must surely be that you do not blow each other up!

 

[3gulls]

A wishlist lifted from a novelty tea-towel. What about Beefeaters?
All those things still exist and are not under threat.

They may exist, but are currently under threat. I was asked what i was trying to hang onto.

 

[bhaexpress]

This thread is getting rather amusing. Thing is the Right think they're right but the Left haven't left either.

 

[3gulls]

Why oh why do you have to belittle everyone?

Because, as a paddy, he has some sort of complex!