Smacking

[Simster]

Read it properly then.

Bozzas coclusion comes from trying to wind people up.

Not trying to wind you up here, but read what properly?

 

[Nibble]

There is no debate though NIBBLE is there ?


you say what the f*** you like and then complain if somebody pulls it apart. HOW DARE you say that anyone who smacks their child is an ABUSER ?

 

[Nibble]

And yes I have spent a lot of time around children. My parents (my stepdad, not my real dad) owned three day nurseries when I was growing up. My mum is a foster mother that looks after children form 3 months to 15 years most with behaviourial problems and she has nevr once resorted to smacking any of them in 40 years.
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[Cheeky Monkey]

An adult can get arrested for the act of pushing or shoving another adult. Adults who physically assault a child in any way should face police prosecution in my book. I don't care for all this bollox about "It never did me any harm," well bully for you, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. My ten year old and I have been though some 'difficult' times, but it has never once crossed my mind to strike her in any way, it is just not necessary. If you can't control your children without resorting to physical violence (no matter how minor) then you need to look at yourself and your parenting skills, sorry.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

so this is your DEBATE ? Well done NIBBLE...you have seen me off with your three yawns. What price would I have got at the beginning of this thread that you would resort to smileys etc..... ?

 

[Moshe Gariani]

this is a hot topic on mrs starry's parenting forums. always good for thousand plus post threads, not sure anyone here can get quite so hot under the collar over it but it is mildly amusing watching them going at it.

 

[Nibble]

Bozza doesn't want to hear a reasonable point Cheeky. He wants an argument , which he got and now that it is dying down he will f*** off and prob try and find another thread I post on to argue there.

 

[Nibble]

so this is your DEBATE ? Well done NIBBLE...you have excelled yourself once again.

I gave up debating with you because you bore me.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

An adult can get arrested for the act of pushing or shoving another adult. Adults who physically assault a child in any way should face police prosecution in my book. I don't care for all this bollox about "It never did me any harm," well bully for you, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. My ten year old and I have been though some 'difficult' times, but it has never once crossed my mind to strike her in any way, it is just not necessary. If you can't control your children without resorting to physical violence (no matter how minor) then you need to look at yourself and your parenting skills, sorry.

but that is the thing....' it did never do me any harm' - I was smacked (albeit infrequently) as a child - it does not make me a violent or derranged man now, so it is not BOLLOX.

I actually believe you shouldn't need to smack, but some people do and it is not for me or anyone else to judge them. You say you can get arrested for hitting somebody, well you can get arrested for taking things from somebody, or locking somebody in a room, but they are all forms of discipline that people choose.

 

[Bozza]

Bozza doesn't want to hear a reasonable point Cheeky. He wants an argument , which he got and now that it is dying down he will f*** off and prob try and find another thread I post on to argue there.

Not at all - as I posted I have never smacked my daughter and I don't believe I ever could.

Apologies for posting it in a humorous way so as to try and calm you down Mr Angry.

(Another thread you say? Leave it with me...)

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

I gave up debating with you because you bore me.

why is that NIBBLE - why do I BORE YOU ? is it because I have asked you to explain your outrageous slur that anyone that smacks their child is an ABUSER ? or is it that you have once again made a statement that you can't back up with a reasoned argument.

 

[Buzzer]

Gentlemen - can we not agree to disagree and be done with it. It's a glorious day, we're gonna be watching the Albion at a full Withers tomorrow. We have our health and friends.

It's all good.

 

[Nibble]

why is that NIBBLE - why do I BORE YOU ? is it because I have asked you to explain your outrageous slur that anyone that smacks their child is an ABUSER ? or is it that you have once again made a statement that you can't back up with a reasoned argument.

I will attempt to explain it to yuo one more time Rusthall. It is not a slur. It is my opinion. My opinion is that people who hit children are abusive bullies. I have no need to back that up. It is an opinion. I answered your questions and I gave you my opinion. I have no problem with someone having a differing opinion. You bore me because you constantly ask for the same opinion to be backed up. You and Bozza are stagnant posters. You stagnate. You bore. You must cease and desisit!

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Firstly a decent parent would not raise a child to misbehave in public and secondly you can bleat on about discipline all you like and it being an extension of love etc but there are many forms of discipline, smacking being the laziest and in the long run the least effective.

I really think you have something pertinent to say but the comment about 'decent parent's is just wrong. I challenge anyone to tell me that they haven't had a child aged between 1 and 3 who HASN'T HAD a bawl or tantrum in a shopping centre.

There is no formula that works decent parents = decent kids and thank god there isn't otherwise we'd all be exactly the same.

 

[NMH]

A good mate of mine was beaten by his real father (as was his Mother, I suspect).

His ensuing stepfather was gentle, and patient (he got his stepfather after about 4 years of age). He disrespected his stepdad, told him as such on a regular basis, and throughout school was a tough, uncompromising lad who was unreasonable with anyone who crossed him (including teachers - he was expelled for smacking one who grabbed him and damaged his shirt)(the teacher probably deserved it - he was a twat).

His path through life included violence, robbery, threatening behavior and regular bouts with the law and jail. He got 'knee-capped' in Southwick several years ago.
Somewhere, the forms of discipline couldn't over-ride the start he got in life, and the home he experienced.

We stayed mates - he was always a good bloke in my opinion, and honourable as a friend (and no, it wasn't honour among thieves, cheers). Not an opinion shared by many, but he made a trail of enemies along the way, for his uncompromising way.

Whatever this suggests about raising and discipline of children - it's a story of how lessons were meted out, and the results in the life of lad.
It seemed to me that neither form of parental discipline worked, but that a tempering of the two forms would have.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

but that is the thing....' it did never do me any harm' - I was smacked (albeit infrequently) as a child - it does not make me a violent or derranged man now, so it is not BOLLOX.

That's just your experience, why does that make it right for all those children in the world growing up who aren't you to get assaulted? I can't relate to the whole mentality that it's fine to do it as you're the child's parents or 'what goes on behind closed doors at home'. The law prosecutes adult/adult domestic violence in court so surely parental/child violence should be treated in the same way? You wouldn't hit someone else's child in the street, so why is it right to hit your own?

You say it didn't make you a violent or deranged man, but it's not about that, it can impact mentally in terms of the child's self esteem and many other subtle areas of their sense of self worth. To be struck can hardly be a healthy thing for a young person, who is developing a sense of the world and the people around him/her, to experience!

 

[Nibble]

I really think you have something pertinent to say but the comment about 'decent parent's is just wrong. I challenge anyone to tell me that they haven't had a child aged between 1 and 3 who HASN'T HAD a bawl or tantrum in a shopping centre.

There is no formula that works decent parents = decent kids and thank god there isn't otherwise we'd all be exactly the same.

You will find that I retracted that point and conceded. Keep up sunflower.

 

[Bozza]

I will attempt to explain it to yuo one more time Rusthall. It is not a slur. It is my opinion. My opinion is that people who hit children are abusive bullies. I have no need to back that up. It is an opinion. I answered your questions and I gave you my opinion. I have no problem with someone having a differing opinion. You bore me because you constantly ask for the same opinion to be backed up. You and Bozza are stagnant posters. You stagnate. You bore. You must cease and desisit!

Wrong again. It's not your day old bean, is it?

If you clearly present opinion then it's fair enough. Your opinion may be challenged, of course, or reasons behind your opinion sought.

Your problem, m'old mucker, is you largely present things as fact when clearly they are not.

(Anyway, I've found a thread, it's this one here - http://www.northstandchat.biz/showthread.php?t=104960 - what do you think?)

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Right Bozza. I will concede that kids will play up in public for the reasons you stated. And I wil lbacktracjk a little and say that it does not make a bad parent. So your child is hot, sweaty, tired fed up? Give em a whack? nice one.

And yes I have spent a lot of time around children. My parents (my stepdad, not my real dad) owned three day nurseries when I was growing up. My mum is a foster mother that looks after children form 3 months to 15 years most with behaviourial problems and she has nevr once resorted to smacking any of them in 40 years.

I retract my previous comment... sorry just trying to catch up.

 

[Buzzer]

Gentlemen - can we not agree to disagree and be done with it. It's a glorious day, we're gonna be watching the Albion at a full Withers tomorrow. We have our health and friends.

It's all good.

that'll be NO and f*** off, Buzzer, you feckin hippy.

Then