Smacking

[Nibble]

Debate is very healthy. I just think it's a shame when people use an overly aggressive manner as part of their 'debate'. I suppose, for some, it's easier to do it that way than rely on intellect, fact and experience. Each to their own

But I have not been aggressive Bozza. Do you see what I mean about you missing the point of a debate and this quoted post shows that.

I guess it boils down to what you see as child abuse. I see hitting a child as child abuse. I see any form of physical violence in order to get someone to comply a form of abuse and bullying.

However, obviously some people see it in a completely differant light. I can see yuor point of view nad I can disagree and vice versa.

There is no need to start ripping into me 'cos I disagree with your point of view. And frankly no need to continue this argument if I'm going to get called a ****.

And Rusthall, I can appreciate that you want to know how I would discipline a child, well all I can say is that of course I will have to learn that when I become a parent but I can assure you that no part of that discipline will be physical, nomatter how slight as I see it as child abuse.

 

[Buzzer]

I agree with Nibble, I am probably not about to say anything in public to someone but I do pull family and friends up on things that happen in my home.

We do not smack, never have and never will. My children have been raised in a home where we use consequences. You do not eat your dinner, fine you are hungry all night. You do not put your clothes in the laundry basket, fine you will not have clean clothes and have to wear your old stuff. You break a window, you take the money from your savings to pay for it. You don't tidy up your toys, fine I assume they are going in the bin and round them up. You kick your sister under the dinner table, you are asked to leave the table until you want to behave. You tell a lie, we talk about why/what/how the reasons behind that. You answer back, we talk about the how/why/what that led to it. My children have choices, time outs, consequences, positive reinforcement.

Oh dear - end of the world as we know it. I'm in complete agreement with Starry.

 

[Buzzer]

So....let me get this straight - any parent who has smacked their child is a 'child abuser' ? ?

there are degrees but........I'd say yes. Just my view though and like I say, there are degrees.

 

[Bozza]

However, obviously some people see it in a completely differant light. I can see yuor point of view nad I can disagree and vice versa.

What on earth are you talking about? Please show me where I have made any comment on the relative merits of smacking as a disciplinary parental tool. I have not. For all you know I could agree with you 100%.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

But I have not been aggressive Bozza. Do you see what I mean about you missing the point of a debate and this quoted post shows that.

I guess it boils down to what you see as child abuse. I see hitting a child as child abuse. I see any form of physical violence in order to get someone to comply a form of abuse and bullying.

However, obviously some people see it in a completely differant light. I can see yuor point of view nad I can disagree and vice versa.

There is no need to start ripping into me 'cos I disagree with your point of view. And frankly no need to continue this argument if I'm going to get called a ****.

And Rusthall, I can appreciate that you want to know how I would discipline a child, well all I can say is that of course I will have to learn that when I become a parent but I can assure you that no part of that discipline will be physical, nomatter how slight as I see it as child abuse.

Come on NIBBLE....that is not an answer - you don't have to be a parent to have an idea how you would discipline your child...just give a quick overview - I really would love to know

 

[Bozza]

But I have not been aggressive Bozza. Do you see what I mean about you missing the point of a debate and this quoted post shows that.

I didn't say you'd been aggressive on this thread. Since I first noticed you on NSC, a week or so back, my over-riding impression I have taken is one of an aggressive bully. The 'f*** off' you issued to me on the obesity thread being a very good example.

 

[Nibble]

What on earth are you talking about? Please show me where I have made any comment on the relative merits of smacking as a disciplinary parental tool. I have not. For all you know I could agree with you 100%.[/QUOTE

What the Jesus f*** are you talking about Bozza? why have you been banging on and on against me if you agree with me?

You leave me speechless

 

[Brovion]

I've never smacked my children - but that isn't because I'm some marvellously tolerant human being who could give lessons in patience and humility to Mother Theresa, it's because I've been EXTREMELY lucky in that my kids never gave me cause to. Punishments in our house have always been on the 'Starry' line. However I do accept that there are times when, for various reasons, a parent may use force on their child (when does smacking stop and restraining begin?) and consequently, whilst I have a lot of sympathy with Nibble's view I hope it's never outlawed.

 

[Bozza]

What the Jesus f*** are you talking about Bozza? why have you been banging on and on against me if you agree with me?

You leave me speechless

Come on - use the quote feature to show me where I've made a single comment on what I think about smacking.

 

[Nibble]

Come on NIBBLE....that is not an answer - you don't have to be a parent to have an idea how you would discipline your child...just give a quick overview - I really would love to know

As it happens I am very much an advocate of Starrys way of thinking. Each thing the child does has a consequence .If they behave they have pleasent days out or other incentives, if they misbehave they have things taken away from them . Thi sis how children learn that actions have consequences. Unfortunately if the only consequence for bad behaviour is a smack you don't have an educate dchild you have a scared child.

 

[Nibble]

Come on - use the quote feature to show me where I've made a single comment on what I think about smacking.

I never said that. I am refering to your knack for trying to wind people up and not actually taking part in a debate which is why there is no point with you. You want an argument otherwise you should have given a valid opinion.

 

[NMH]

Anyone who hits their children is a cruel, weak, heartless, lazy, spineless child abuser. For whatever reason. Do you hit pensioners in homes when they don't do what you want.

If I see anyone smacking their kids in publicI always say something to them. Horrific behaviour. Some people should be bloody ashamed of themselves.

Really? Some parents would get my applause if they smacked some kids.

If I had a lad who was out causing mayhem, reigning them in by a firm smack and facing a very angry father would be much preferred to visiting them in nick for 5 years after they'd bricked some poor pensioner for complaining.
It might remind him who is to be most respected - his father, or any thick yobbo he'd started running with. Naturally, I'd like to think that it wouldn't ever come to that, and that he'd know better by then etc.
Discipline it's called, and when it's expressed as such it's an extension of love.

 

[Buzzer]

Discipline it's called, and when it's expressed as such it's an extension of love.

this is why I'm dropping out of this debate

 

[magoo]

No one yet has convinced me that hitting children is acceptable punishment. No one in favour of smacking has convinced me that the same results can not be achieved in other ways.

No i'm not a parent but i've been closely involved in the raising of relatives. They have utmost respect for my authority and i have never laid a finger on them. That is because as Starry said children respond to reason and logic because they are intelligent people.

and you don't see Supernanny clouting little scally shits do you!

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

As it happens I am very much an advocate of Starrys way of thinking. Each thing the child does has a consequence .If they behave they have pleasent days out or other incentives, if they misbehave they have things taken away from them . Thi sis how children learn that actions have consequences. Unfortunately if the only consequence for bad behaviour is a smack you don't have an educate dchild you have a scared child.

So, you would happily mentally 'abuse' your child ? Take things away from them if they have been naughty ? Bribe them to be good ? What lessons does that teach them as they grow up ?

 

[Bozza]

I never said that. I am refering to your knack for trying to wind people up and not actually taking part in a debate which is why there is no point with you. You want an argument otherwise you should have given a valid opinion.

Absolute tosh. Let me remind you what you've said...

I guess it boils down to what you see as child abuse. I see hitting a child as child abuse. I see any form of physical violence in order to get someone to comply a form of abuse and bullying.

However, obviously some people see it in a completely differant light. I can see yuor point of view nad I can disagree and vice versa.

why have you been banging on and on against me if you agree with me?

You clearly believe or believed that I have differing views on you with regard to smacking. I've actually not made a single comment on my thoughts regarding smacking children. You're not very good at all this, are you?

 

[Simster]

Anyone who hits their children is a cruel, weak, heartless, lazy, spineless child abuser.

You see Nipple, that is how you set your stall out. No ifs, no buts. ANYONE who has ever smacked their child, however hard, under whatever provocation or any circumstances is a is a cruel, weak, heartless, lazy, spineless child abuser.

If you truly believe that, then you must be a one-eyed simpleton. Please please please tell me that you could envisage certain situations where a parent might smack a child (even if they later regret doing so) and NOT fall into this neat category of yours - of cruel, weak, heartless, lazy, spineless child abuser.

 

[Nibble]

Really? Some parents would get my applause if they smacked some kids.

If I had a lad who was out causing mayhem, reigning them in by a firm smack and facing a very angry father would be much preferred to visiting them in nick for 5 years after they'd bricked some poor pensioner for complaining.
Discipline it's called, and when it's expressed as such it's an extension of love.

Firstly a decent parent would not raise a child to misbehave in public and secondly you can bleat on about discipline all you like and it being an extension of love etc but there are many forms of discipline, smacking being the laziest and in the long run the least effective.

 

[Nibble]

So, you would happily mentally 'abuse' your child ? Take things away from them if they have been naughty ? Bribe them to be good ? What lessons does that teach them as they grow up ?

Oh Rusthall - you are not worth the f***ing effort.

 

[Nibble]

Absolute tosh. Let me remind you what you've said...





You clearly believe or believed that I have differing views on you with regard to smacking. I've actually not made a single comment on my thoughts regarding smacking children. You're not very good at all this, are you?

I meant against me as in happy to rip on me personally. This actually backs up my point. So i would double check your condasending little comments because you obviously don't have the knack to carry it off.