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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)







Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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Full disclosure: I fell asleep and one of this guy's other Youtube videos (the Yi Peng 3 cable cutting episode in November) was playing when I woke up.

This is his latest one about the Finland-Estonia cable cutting episode a few days ago, which was overshadowed by the Azerbaijani plane crash.

He sure knows his stuff about sea lanes, anchor mechanics etc. Most importantly, he can spot when an anchor has gone missing !
TLDR: They're f****** guilty.

 


Shins

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Aug 13, 2015
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I can’t yet imagine western troops moving in but if Russia suddenly made a determined advance on Kiev, would we sit by and let it be taken?
Thanks to other replies as well. The above is my question. Would we just allow Ukraine to fold after everything we've done by way of sanctions and supplies, or say enough is enough and push Russia back to their territory.

I'm almost in a place where we consider doing this now. But clearly all too easy for me to say lets do it whilst sitting behind a keyboard. Countless NATO soldiers lives would be lost and risk of greater arms being used on NATO cities, included nuclear, mean we haven't done it yet and doubt there would ever be any consensus among leaders to do so.

Ultimately it'll mean Putin chipping away at everyone forever more while the non-west continue to prop each other up. We'll continue complaining whilst doing f*** it all about it.
 




raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Thanks to other replies as well. The above is my question. Would we just allow Ukraine to fold after everything we've done by way of sanctions and supplies, or say enough is enough and push Russia back to their territory.

I'm almost in a place where we consider doing this now. But clearly all too easy for me to say lets do it whilst sitting behind a keyboard. Countless NATO soldiers lives would be lost and risk of greater arms being used on NATO cities, included nuclear, mean we haven't done it yet and doubt there would ever be any consensus among leaders to do so.

Ultimately it'll mean Putin chipping away at everyone forever more while the non-west continue to prop each other up. We'll continue complaining whilst doing f*** it all about it.
I share your concern in many ways.
If the West (I won't say NATO because I don't believe the organization will do anything directly unless a NATO country is attacked with weapons or troops) look back, do the leaders wish that their countries had reacted very strongly (even if full on sanctions 'only') when Russia invaded Crimea and Donbas... I bet they do. But then they weren't the leaders then: different presidents, different prime ministers, different defence ministers.

Knowing what is known now, about everything Putin and his mouthpieces say, about regaining all the former Soviet territories, about all the genocidal atrocities committed by Russia in Ukraine, I think that a number of European countries might just get together and defend Kyiv: Poland? Baltics? Finland? the UK?, France?
They'd be a bit crazy not to maybe 🤔...
Sorry if I rambled.
 




Sirnormangall

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Sep 21, 2017
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I imagine your first para is already ongoing for some time.
For your second para... I wouldn't count on NATO doing much sadly, but I could see Poland, the Baltics making unilateral decisions to help directly 🤞🏻🤞🏻.
Yes Poland and the Baltics are at the front line and will feel most threatened,so you could see them giving direct support.
 


papachris

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Full disclosure: I fell asleep and one of this guy's other Youtube videos (the Yi Peng 3 cable cutting episode in November) was playing when I woke up.

This is his latest one about the Finland-Estonia cable cutting episode a few days ago, which was overshadowed by the Azerbaijani plane crash.

He sure knows his stuff about sea lanes, anchor mechanics etc. Most importantly, he can spot when an anchor has gone missing !
TLDR: They're f****** guilty.


I won't post the whole piece here but on Estonian news they reported that Finnish investigators found drag marks from the anchor on the sea bed that run for more than one hundred kilometres.
They are also holding onto the tanker and several individuals while they continue to investigate
 


raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Wiltshire
I won't post the whole piece here but on Estonian news they reported that Finnish investigators found drag marks from the anchor on the sea bed that run for more than one hundred kilometres.
They are also holding onto the tanker and several individuals while they continue to investigate
They need to be tried and jailed 🤞🏻
 






Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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Russia has found a much cheaper and less risky way of waging war on the west, than invading.

Just drag your anchors along the seabed. I think it was Anders Puck Nielsen who forecast this.
He also predicted that the hybrid war will intensify.

I wouldn't be surprised. If the Ukraine war comes to a halt, it will create a vacancy. Putin's malevolence will still need an outlet.
 


















raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
7,725
Wiltshire
Full disclosure: I fell asleep and one of this guy's other Youtube videos (the Yi Peng 3 cable cutting episode in November) was playing when I woke up.

This is his latest one about the Finland-Estonia cable cutting episode a few days ago, which was overshadowed by the Azerbaijani plane crash.

He sure knows his stuff about sea lanes, anchor mechanics etc. Most importantly, he can spot when an anchor has gone missing !
TLDR: They're f****** guilty.


Very clear explanations from him...thanks 👍🏼 👍🏼
 






Eric the meek

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Aug 24, 2020
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An entertaining 60 secs, assuming it's not AI.

No doubt the Kremlin will be outraged that foreign agents from unfriendly Nato countries could distort the truth like this.

'It's beyond appalling. Release the nukes.' - Medvedev.
'The video portrays Russia like a police state' - Maria Zakharova.
'The Russian people deserve better than this' - Sergei Lavrov.
'All the pensioners I know, are grateful to our President and all of them contribute to the war effort' - Margarita Simonyan.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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'All the pensioners I know, are grateful to our President and all of them contribute to the war effort' - Margarita Simonyan.

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