[Albion] Penalty or not so much?

[Eric Youngs Contact Lens]

Voted “yes” because it’s against Arteta.. against us I would felt harshly done by, citing numerous clashes from corners , but I can also see, if pedro’s was given vs Villa, why is this any different? Close one, happy to see ref think , give it and no VAR shenanigans to overturn it.. definitely just what Arsenal deserved after their antics 1st half..

 

[Is it PotG?]

I don't think it was but equally Arteta can f##k off.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Saliba was late to the header, caught Joao Pedro after the ball had gone and the ball then glanced off Saliba's head after he'd hit Joao Pedro. In what world is taking out the player after the ball has gone not a penalty

 

[Flounce]

i was surprised the Match of the day pundits all thought that headbutting in the penalty area was perfectly legal, and just a coming together. If that were the criteria 50% or more of penalties would not be given. They frequently use the -he felt contact and was entitled to go down- or he got the ball but took the player out with the follow through argument when a defender slightly mistimes a tackle-to justify penalties given for bugger all, yet a full on headbutt is fine because its arsenal?

If the pen had gone to Arsenal under the same circumstances I suggest the pundits would have come to a different conclusion. We likely scuppered the title chase excitement with that draw, they won’t have been happy about that!

They had better hope for a shock result for United to re ignite it

 

[mothy]

I've just watched the highlights. Good decision. 100% penalty

 

[Poskettspurpose]

Is it not the headbutt equivalent of the penalty JP conceded against Villa? Both instances where the player was trying to clear the ball but caught the man?

 

[Si Gull]

Is it not the headbutt equivalent of the penalty JP conceded against Villa? Both instances where the player was trying to clear the ball but caught the man?

I'd prefer it if neither were deemed worthy of a penalty but, failing that, consistency is the next best outcome.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Pen for me. Touching the ball before hitting a player doesn't mean it's not a pen. If that's the rule for a foot, why not a head?

Precisely.

If it is the case that these are 'not usually given' then I am pleased that once a gain a precedent has been set by the best club in the country.

Fact.

 

[Nicksinclair13]

I don’t really see it as THAT controversial to be honest.

Frustrates me when Ian Wright kept banging on about Kulusevski and Gordon - that was a bad decision and most people admit, it should have been given as a penalty. Should the ref in our game have not given a penalty against Pedro because there was a poor decision in an earlier game? It’s nonsense.

If that happened outside the box for a free kick then I don’t think anyone would be making a fuss… if it’s a foul then it’s a foul regardless of where on the pitch it happened. Whether intentional or not, a foul was committed in the box and the consequence of that is a penalty. The fact the ref saw it as a foul in real time and VAR agreed should put it to bed.

Look at the penalty awarded against Pedro in the Villa game, similar circumstance but with a foot instead of a head.
The ref didn’t give it on the pitch and took about 15 replays for VAR to convince him to change his decision. That in my mind, is a far more controversial decision than the one yesterday.

 

[Stato]

Such guff from Inspector Lineker and his gang of Clouseaus wanting to be Poirots. "He touches the ball" they all cry, waving their freeze frame like a smoking gun. They completely ignore the previous touch from Pedro that changes the direction of the ball before it bounces off Saliba, conveniently forgetting that if this was a challenge with feet where the attacker had been first to the ball leaving the defender a little late, none of them would be claiming that a ricochet off him as he took the man out would be an exoneration.

Lineker then adds idiocy to error by pretty much saying that if it was a foul, then the rules are wrong. This is a fairly stark admission that he'd approached the incident with a pre-formed view and searched for evidence to support his bias, the mistake that has produced hundreds of worthless books about the Whitchapel murders.

 

[peterward]

Mikel Arteta on the penalty: “It’s very disappointing.”

“I've never seen a decision like this in my career. I asked the boys, and they have never seen anything like it.”

The ball 100% doesn't come off Salibas head, this clip proves he makes no contact with the ball and heads Pedro on follow through.

Of course its unintentional, but no more so than Pedro's conceded penalty at Villa, which is a carbon copy just different body parts.

Going for ball, fractionally mis timed and catch player.

They either both are (as given) or both aren't.

 

[darkwolf666]

The ball 100% doesn't come off Salibas head, this clip proves he makes no contact with the ball and heads Pedro on follow through.

Of course its unintentional, but no more so than Pedro's conceded penalty at Villa, which is a carbon copy just different body parts.

Going for ball, fractionally mis timed and catch player.

They either both are (as given) or both aren't.

Shame I no longer have a Twitter account (well, not really), as I would like to have told Magic Hat they are talking out of their arse!

 

[Eric Youngs Contact Lens]

Such guff from Inspector Lineker and his gang of Clouseaus wanting to be Poirots. "He touches the ball" they all cry, waving their freeze frame like a smoking gun. They completely ignore the previous touch from Pedro that changes the direction of the ball before it bounces off Saliba, conveniently forgetting that if this was a challenge with feet where the attacker had been first to the ball leaving the defender a little late, none of them would be claiming that a ricochet off him as he took the man out would be an exoneration.

Lineker then adds idiocy to error by pretty much saying that if it was a foul, then the rules are wrong. This is a fairly stark admission that he'd approached the incident with a pre-formed view and searched for evidence to support his bias, the mistake that has produced hundreds of worthless books about the Whitchapel murders.

Yes ! And remember the penalty given against Lamptey vs Arsenal at the Amex? Got the ball but no one (on telly) disagrees with the penalty decision given …

 

[Bakero]

Any video clips of the incident where Per is wins a header but fouls someone on the follow through?

 

[Stato]

Thought it was soft at the time and I’m still lot sure. I’d be unhappy if it was given against us.

I was unhappy when it was given against us: last week at Villa. Although my unhappiness was more to do with VAR intervening in something that wasn't a clear and obvious error than it was to do with the final decision being incorrect. It wasn't.

 

[amexer]

When I saw Pedro rolling around assumed terrible injury so maybe biggest surprise was he was able to get up to take penalty

 

[jessiejames]

If that happens against us I would go mad, however it's was a deffo penalty.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I guess the debate should really be when does a clash of heads become a foul? Or, when is it a clash of heads and when is it a foul?

The ball skimming off of Saliba's head after Pedro has headed it there doesn't negate the foul, if it is a foul. Saliba's trying to head the ball in an entirely different position to where it actually touches his head. Where he tries to head the ball is where Pedro has already headed it ans where Pedro's head is. So is that a clash of heads or a foul?

 

[W3D]

Soft penalty but there have been few recently. VAR would not have given it if the ref didn’t but the Arsenal player gave Pedro a good nut.

Seeing as it’s our first this season, it’s a matter of what goes around, comes around. It was our turn for a softy.

Edit. The ball has almost gone when the Arsenal defender lunges in. Not enough justification for him to fly in with his head IMHO.

This is AFTER Pedro has headed the ball….

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The Arsenal player is very lucky to get a tiny touch and butts Pedro in a dangerous and out of control way.

More of a penalty than the one given against us at Villa.

Exactly, the ball brushes his hair as it goes past him. If the ball's on the ground and the defender goes in studs up and gets a slight couch before making contact it's still a foul, so why not when it's in the air. Especially with the current policy of protecting against head injury.

 

[drew]

It's a lucky touch on the ball by Saliba as Pedro headed it on to his head rather than Saliba heading the ball.

Agree with others who have said that if you follow through with a foot it's dangerous play even if you get the ball first so same rule should apply with the head.