[Albion] Penalty or not so much?

[Uncle Spielberg]

Never a penalty but we ill take it

 

[Triggaaar]

When I saw Pedro rolling around assumed terrible injury so maybe biggest surprise was he was able to get up to take penalty

He definitely got headbutted, and it would have hurt. He also knew he'd been fouled. I'd be annoyed if he didn't make something of it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Exactly, the ball brushes his hair as it goes past him. If the ball's on the ground and the defender goes in studs up and gets a slight couch before making contact it's still a foul, so why not when it's in the air. Especially with the current policy of protecting against head injury.

MOTD pundits have clung to Arteta's 'I've never seen it before', but it is a foul.

I'd like to see all the examples of a player headbutting an opponent and no foul being given (that's not the same as when both have risen to head a ball, and their heads have knocked together).

 

[Bodian]

I’ve not watched tonight’s MOTD yet or the one with us against villa, what was the general consensus from MOTD about the villa penalty against us?

Yes - this is the main question for me.

The other thing that seems to be ignored is that where Saliba heads Pedro is not where the ball was / or had been anyway.

 

[Slum_Wolf]

Did Saliba complain? The ref was surrounded by the usual Arsenal suspects but the look on Saliba's face is telling...I think he knew straight away it was a foul and wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even realize the ball had brushed his hair...

 

[Flounce]

When I saw Pedro rolling around assumed terrible injury so maybe biggest surprise was he was able to get up to take penalty

Not as bad as Raya looking like he’d received a life threatening injury after a coming together with O ‘Riley (?) and then being absolutley fine once he’d wasted a couple of minutes thinking about intensive care.

 

[Blue3]

I really don’t understand what the fuss is about Pedro won the header after which he was moving towards the travel of the ball the defender head butted Pedro I have looked at the footage a number of times and I cannot clearly see that the defender touched the ball after Pedro therefore it’s a penalty.
In fact had he done the same in the street it could have been seen as GBH and he might well be facing a prosecution

 

[amexer]

Hardest thing to do in PL is to score a goal and now far to many games decided by a questionable penalty. As Roy Hodgeson once said not long ago to get a handball players had to practically pick the ball up and for fouls defender had to make a terrible tackle. I know what I prefer

 

[LamieRobertson]

Not as bad as Raya looking like he’d received a life threatening injury after a coming together with O ‘Riley (?) and then being absolutley fine once he’d wasted a couple of minutes thinking about intensive care.

Duplicated by a few Arsenal players

 

[drew]

Hardest thing to do in PL is to score a goal and now far to many games decided by a questionable penalty. As Roy Hodgeson once said not long ago to get a handball players had to practically pick the ball up and for fouls defender had to make a terrible tackle. I know what I prefer

Have you got the stats on how many games decided by penalties?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Have you got the stats on how many games decided by penalties?

This season in the Premier League 42 penalties have been given in 196 games. 17 of those games have been either drawn or won by a single goal (Chelsea scored 2 in a 4-2 win over Spurs so I'm counting that too). So that is just 8% of games where the result would have changed had the penalty not been given.

How many of those 17 games had "dodgy" penalties I don't know (arguments are being made over our penalty yesterday as this thread shows, and the Villa one against us seemed less of a penalty than the one not given moments before) so that is at least 2.

Liverpool wins against Chelsea (2-1), Southampton (3-2) and Wolves (2-1)
Aston Villa 2-2 draw against us.
West Ham win against United (2-1) and draw with Bournemouth (1-1)
Brentford 4-3 win against Ipswich.
Chelsea 2 pens in a 4-3 win over Spurs
Fulham 1-0 over Forest
Newcastle 1-1 draw with City
Forest 1-0 win over Ipswich and 2-2 draw with us.
Leicester 3-2 over Southampton
Man Utd 2-1 win over Man City and 1-1 draw with Chelsea
Palace 2-2 draw with Leicester
Brighton 1-1 draw with Arsenal

 

[amexer]

This season in the Premier League 42 penalties have been given in 196 games. 17 of those games have been either drawn or won by a single goal (Chelsea scored 2 in a 4-2 win over Spurs so I'm counting that too). So that is just 8% of games where the result would have changed had the penalty not been given.

How many of those 17 games had "dodgy" penalties I don't know (arguments are being made over our penalty yesterday as this thread shows, and the Villa one against us seemed less of a penalty than the one not given moments before) so that is at least 2.

Liverpool wins against Chelsea (2-1), Southampton (3-2) and Wolves (2-1)
Aston Villa 2-2 draw against us.
West Ham win against United (2-1) and draw with Bournemouth (1-1)
Brentford 4-3 win against Ipswich.
Chelsea 2 pens in a 4-3 win over Spurs
Fulham 1-0 over Forest
Newcastle 1-1 draw with City
Forest 1-0 win over Ipswich and 2-2 draw with us.
Leicester 3-2 over Southampton
Man Utd 2-1 win over Man City and 1-1 draw with Chelsea
Palace 2-2 draw with Leicester
Brighton 1-1 draw with Arsenal

how does this compare to a few seasons ago

 

[AK74]

Both Richards and Murphy are awful pundits.

 

[chaileyjem]

On the Premier League coverage - Glenn Murray and Dermot O Gallagher were very certain it was a pen. Ian Wright less so but more because “refs are inconsistent “ rather than idea it wasn’t a foul.

 

[allystrat]

I don't think that's a penalty any more than the Villa or Ipswich ones the other night, and countless others we have seen given this season however, the game seems to have gone down the 'any contact' route now (but not all of the time!). I don't like it but the law makers seem to want it that way.

 

[Bodian]

MoTD analysis not universally supported (browse the replies).

 

[Jeremiah]

To me the penalty incident is exactly the same as when a player lunges in with his feet , glances the ball and follows through into the player. We all know its now regarded as dangerous play and results in a free kick being awarded to the player who is hurt and sometimes a red to the offender. The Arsenal player lunged in with his head the ball happened to glance off his head before he careered into Pedro - Stonewall penalty and possible red card for dangerous play.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Both Richards and Murphy are awful pundits.

Both as thick as mince

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Tweet (or whatever they’re called these days) from an Arsenal fan clearly not happy with Taylor’s decision to award us a pen. Pretty disgusting comment really. That’s Arsenal for you.

 

[HantsSeagull]

I havent read the whole thread but if Pedro accidently touching an attacker foot with his own at Villa is a pen then pedro getting head butted accidently is also a pen. cant have it both ways.