[Politics] Next leader of the Labour Party

[Jolly Red Giant]

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I hope the majority see what the Tory party has done and will continue to do if it wins i.e. screw the average person.

To me it needs to polarise around remain & leave and not labour, tory, lib_dem, snp or green .

And do you really believe that the Tories are the only ones screwing the average person?

It was the EU's decision to bail out the European banking system - and the austerity policies imposed by the EU and implemented by the Tories and LibDems have caused the deaths of 130,000 people in the UK in the last ten years (and by the way - the Blairites and the SNP, not to talk about the sectarian bigots of the DUP, have all supported the same policies).

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I find this a very interesting trend. A large part of the pro - brexit vote in the working class north was a protest against the Tory Party and austerity policies. Amazing if this then translates into these regions actually voting FOR the Tories. Part of me just refuses to believe it, but I can't deny its possible

I think those votes will go to the Brexit company.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Being a Republican sympathiser doesn't mean he supported their killing of British troops, and doesn't translate in to "and any other terrorist organisation that kills British troops."

And I am most certainly not a Corbyn fan.

The Tories were in discussions with the Provos while they were still blowing up soldiers (and helping the loyalist paramilitaries kill Catholics at the same time) - and I am not a republican.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The Tories were in discussions with the Provos while they were still blowing up soldiers (and helping the loyalist paramilitaries kill Catholics at the same time) - and I am not a republican.

If you want or need to stop people blowing other people up, you either have to eliminate them completely, or talk to them to find a solution.

That's probably a gross over-simplification, but the choice to me seems obvious.

 

[beorhthelm]

If BREXIT is a moderate success (our income rises) it will have a massive negative impact on many people's lives as NHS gets broken up and state benefits continue to be reduced as we move towards a freer economy where there is even greater aggregation of wealth my a small minority.

If (as I expect) BREXIT fails to deliver benefits and our economy and incomes shrink then NHS still gets broken up and our benefits system gets screwed. Taxes will increase for the average tax payer to make up the gap in reduced GDP.

this is genius analysis: what ever happens to Brexit everything will be bad.

 

[portlock seagull]

The Tories were in discussions with the Provos while they were still blowing up soldiers (and helping the loyalist paramilitaries kill Catholics at the same time) - and I am not a republican.

I for one am pleased they did then - we were at war for the first 21 years of my life that killed thousands.

 

[portlock seagull]

this is genius analysis: what ever happens to Brexit everything will be bad.

Not forgetting everything was just dandy before we voted to leave!

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

If you want or need to stop people blowing other people up, you either have to eliminate them completely, or talk to them to find a solution.

That's probably a gross over-simplification, but the choice to me seems obvious.

Corbyn was talking to the Shinners in public (and I don't agree with Corbyn's position on the North) - the Tories were talking to the Provos in secret - yet the Daily Mail will plaster a photo of Corbyn with Adams across its front page - go figure

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

I for one am pleased they did then - we were at war for the first 21 years of my life that killed thousands.

The problem in the North have not been solved - the Tories (and the Blairites) basically kicked the can down the road for a couple of decades. Sectarianism is more entrenched now in the North than at any time during the Troubles (and I am saying that as someone who had a friend whose head was blown off in a random sectarian shooting in 1985).

 

[portlock seagull]

The problem in the North have not been solved - the Tories (and the Blairites) basically kicked the can down the road for a couple of decades. Sectarianism is more entrenched now in the North than at any time during the Troubles (and I am saying that as someone who had a friend whose head was blown off in a random sectarian shooting in 1985).

Never ever use the phrase ‘kicked the can down the road’! Makes you sound like a Brexit wanker Regardless, sorry about your friend, that’s going to shape your life and views for many years to come. As for continuing troubles, yes they’re far from eliminated but there’s an argument for saying the residue are akin to many gangs rather than paramilitaries who thrive in poorer areas using fear and intimidation to generate money by illicit means. Very similar to the drug empires in many parts of Britain who ironically kill far more people with needles than sectarian violence ever has.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Never ever use the phrase ‘kicked the can down the road’! Makes you sound like a Brexit wanker Regardless, sorry about your friend, that’s going to shape your life and views for many years to come. As for continuing troubles, yes they’re far from eliminated but there’s an argument for saying the residue are akin to many gangs rather than paramilitaries who thrive in poorer areas using fear and intimidation to generate money by illicit means. Very similar to the drug empires in many parts of Britain who ironically kill far more people with needles than sectarian violence ever has.

Governments North and South of the border in Ireland are experts at kicking the can down the road - Brexit is in the halfpenny place in comparison.

The reason for sectarianism (and drug abuse) in the North is the same reason as for the drug abuse in Britain - poverty and deprivation - and the inequality promoted by both the Brexiteers and the EU elites - two sh*tty sides of the same coin.

At the moment the best chance of doing something about the inequality and the poverty and the deprivation in Britain is a Corbyn led government (and hopefully he will not be a puppet for the Blairites). Corbyn should have gone after the Blairites from the moment he was elected leader of the LP - starting with mandatory reselection of MPs. He fluffed and he puffed and he allowed the Blairties control the show (as they repeatedly tried to shaft him). The election is probably his last chance to put a stamp on the LP by putting the Blarities in a box - and the best way of doing that is by winning the election by promoting socialist policies.

 

[portlock seagull]

Governments North and South of the border in Ireland are experts at kicking the can down the road - Brexit is in the halfpenny place in comparison.

The reason for sectarianism (and drug abuse) in the North is the same reason as for the drug abuse in Britain - poverty and deprivation - and the inequality promoted by both the Brexiteers and the EU elites - two sh*tty sides of the same coin.

No, I really mean it’s an awful piece of jargon akin to e.g. low hanging fruit! I’ve noticed people are using it without knowing, because of Brexit probably, and it’s really cringeworthy.

Anyway, we digressed. Think we’re both in agreement essentially. People say it’ll take a generation or two post Good Friday agreement for the ‘cause’ (not Corrs!) to die out but I struggle to see that happening all the while sectarianism is celebrated and promoted in such provocative ways under the guise of tradition and customs. After all, there have been many generations since the Battle of the Boyne and they’re still banging on about it like it was yesterday! It’s even exported as a celebration, the marching season doesn’t just happen in N.Ireland sadly.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Another vote for Dianne Abacus

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

If they had any sense they would bin off Corbyn, he is simply unelectable and get Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper in. I mean someone people might actually vote for

If he’s so unelectable why have Labour members voted for him in droves...twice? If he’s so unelectable, why did we see the biggest increase in votes for the Labour Party since WW2 in May’s snap election? This “he’s unelectable” nonsense Is simply lazy. Sure critique the mans politics, but posts like the above is simply regurgitated right wing press sound bites.

 

[Bry Nylon]

If he’s so unelectable why have Labour members voted for him in droves...twice? If he’s so unelectable, why did we see the biggest increase in votes for the Labour Party since WW2 in May’s snap election? This “he’s unelectable” nonsense Is simply lazy. Sure critique the mans politics, but posts like the above is simply regurgitated right wing press sound bites.

He is unelectable because he is unable to cut through and win in the seats that Labour would need to win in order to gain an overall majority. Sure, Labour members vote for him and he certainly increased the size of the Labour vote in established Labour heartlands, but under the FPTP system that is less important than winning additioanl seats and the plain fact of the matter is that he does not appeal to enough traditional Tory or Lib Dem voters to do that. Unelectable.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I think Starmer would be their best bet.

Personally I agree with you - but it won't be - the Labour Party will elect a woman next time.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Another vote for Dianne Abacus

With Rebecca Wrong-Daily as her assistant.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Shouldn’t this thread be merged with the ‘Time to go Corbyn’ thread started by one of our other political cognoscenti four years ago?

It’s just a retread if the same slurs lacking in any kind of insight.

 

[BLOCK F]

So we should trust the Tories with their recent impressive run of fiscal management?

What has that got to do with who should be the next leader of the Labour Party?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Old fashioned, out of touch party, only one not having had a female leader.

Needs a woman at the helm.