[Politics] Next leader of the Labour Party

[Questions]

Al-Qaeda is a motivating and enabling organisation.Leaders don't get their hands dirty.

But JC supports their ideals yes ?

 

[clapham_gull]

I'd put money on Emily Thornberry.

 

[portslade seagull]

I'd love a rundown on all those terrorist groups as a matter of interest?

So your denying his support for the IRA the PLA etc etc. If it were any conservative you would be all over it

 

[Questions]

I'd love a rundown on all those terrorist groups as a matter of interest?

Slow down veg. Let’s deal with his support of Al- Qaeda before we move on to all the other terrorise organisations he backs if they are prepared to kill British soldiers.

 

[Stat Brother]

Magnificent, I never actually listen to what she's saying, my eye-line is a bit lower than her neck.

Clearly you also need less Gene Hunt in your world!!

 

[Weststander]

I get all that. I was just moving it on as to why he is feared. I actually want proper reasons and not what the polls tell us about his lack of popularity..... I have his possible overspending so far.... let’s carry on though.

JC himself - I don’t think he is feared. The jokes, sneering, personal attacks against him are just the usual political bitching we get in this country (and left wingers do exactly the same to May, Rudd, Johnson, JRM). Always personalised, spiteful. It’s not new, the 70’s and 80’s was the same. Polarised times.

The Momentum policies themselves, especially economics - divide opinion. Supporters would say their view of the world is the only way to bring justice. Many others in the middle and right in this diverse UK, believe in rewarding success, entrepreneurship, those who worked their your way through exams and careers through your own determination, and then NOT being taxed until they squeak in the process. I think a majority of people don’t want a high tax regime.

We’re told that we should tax wealthy and high earners heavily, to bring about social justice and follow the Scandinavian model. I’ve spent time in Sweden and still have friends there. Their tax system does not just do that. It taxes very heavily anyone with income over say £25,000. It pays for the social system we know is very generous. Momentum Labour need to be honest on these matters, squeezing just the rich will not pay for the Scandinavian style society here.

To my mind, the Labour government from 1997 got a good balance.

 

[Live by the sea]

True, but equally the best situation for the Tory Party is to get trounced - the hard right mps & Boris and his swivel-eyed loons will be consigned to history & a moderate leaning mp will come to the fore - one step back & two steps forward and all of that

With respect I think you will find a lot more swivel eyed loons in the current Corbyn Labour Party. Never used to be that way but sadly it certainly is now. All the time momentum and the hard line trade union leaders are calling the shots , moderate is not something you will see in a labour leader.

 

[Questions]

JC himself - I don’t think he is feared. The jokes, sneering, personal attacks against him are just the usual political bitching we get in this country (and left wingers do exactly the same to May, Rudd, Johnson, JRM). Always personalised, spiteful. It’s not new, the 70’s and 80’s was the same. Polarised times.

The Momentum policies themselves, especially economics - divide opinion. Supporters would say their view of the world is the only way to bring justice. Many others in the middle and right in this diverse UK, believe in rewarding success, entrepreneurship, those who worked their your way through exams and careers through your own determination, and then NOT being taxed until they squeak in the process. I think a majority of people don’t want a high tax regime.

We’re told that we should tax wealthy and high earners heavily, to bring about social justice and follow the Scandinavian model. I’ve spent time in Sweden and still have friends there. Their tax system does not just do that. It taxes very heavily anyone with income over say £25,000. It pays for the social system we know is very generous. Momentum Labour need to be honest on these matters, squeezing just the rich will not pay for the Scandinavian style society here.

To my mind, the Labour government from 1997 got a good balance.

I’ll come back to you Westy once I’ve watched the BBC 4 documentary broadcast last night on the great Karl Marx.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Genuine question:-

What obvious reasons?


I've only seen him a couple of times at the Dispatch Box and I know he's a smart grafter not Old Etonian.
But beyond that I don't know much about the fella, he just seems to be 'decent' which in the current climate is plenty good enough for me.

Just cribbed this from Wikipedia:

"He was Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service from 2008 to 2013.
After qualifying for the bar, he acted exclusively as a defence lawyer specialising in human rights issues. He was appointed Queen's Counsel (QC) in 2002 and Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) in the 2014 New Year Honours. He was sworn in as a Privy Councillor on 19 July 2017. "

I think by definition you are a decent bloke if you are a Human Rights Lawyer
And you don't get to be a QC by being an idiot. He'd have my vote.

 

[Invicta]

Diane Abbott ... I've always rated her very highly and she ticks quite a few of the quota boxes, so important in politics these days

Deserves a chance, let Labour prove she's not just there to fill quota boxes.

 

[beorhthelm]

I’ll come back to you Westy once I’ve watched the BBC 4 documentary broadcast last night on the great Karl Marx.

its very good. reminds us his ideas were based on another time and problems.

 

[Stat Brother]

Just cribbed this from Wikipedia:

"He was Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service from 2008 to 2013.
After qualifying for the bar, he acted exclusively as a defence lawyer specialising in human rights issues. He was appointed Queen's Counsel (QC) in 2002 and Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) in the 2014 New Year Honours. He was sworn in as a Privy Councillor on 19 July 2017. "

I think by definition you are a decent bloke if you are a Human Rights Lawyer
And you don't get to be a QC by being an idiot. He'd have my vote.

I know it won't happen, I guess it probably can't, but just imagine the state of Johnson if Corbs admitted he never really wanted the top job and handed the reigns straight over to the McLibel lawyer. (further down on Wiki!! )

 

[Bakero]

Those who worked their your way through exams and careers through your own determination, and then NOT being taxed until they squeak in the process. I think a majority of people don’t want a high tax regime.

Those who had access to free university education and in many cases profited greatly from house price inflation you mean.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

His unlikely rise to Labour Leader, wouldn’t prevent the loss of Labour seats in the Brexit heartlands of the Midlands, Wales and North. For obvious reasons.

I find this a very interesting trend. A large part of the pro - brexit vote in the working class north was a protest against the Tory Party and austerity policies. Amazing if this then translates into these regions actually voting FOR the Tories. Part of me just refuses to believe it, but I can't deny its possible

 

[beorhthelm]

We’re told that we should tax wealthy and high earners heavily, to bring about social justice and follow the Scandinavian model. I’ve spent time in Sweden and still have friends there. Their tax system does not just do that. It taxes very heavily anyone with income over say £25,000. It pays for the social system we know is very generous. Momentum Labour need to be honest on these matters, squeezing just the rich will not pay for the Scandinavian style society here.

Sweden pays about 44% of GDP in taxes, UK about 34%. the gap cannot be made up with just taxes on the top 1% or 10%, it needs across the board tax rises. if thats what the people want thats what they'll vote for, though its not on offer.

 

[Bakero]

With respect I think you will find a lot more swivel eyed loons in the current Corbyn Labour Party. Never used to be that way but sadly it certainly is now. All the time momentum and the hard line trade union leaders are calling the shots , moderate is not something you will see in a labour leader.

Trade Union involvement in the Labour Party- whatever next?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Supports the IRA and any other terrorist organisation that kills British troops

Being a Republican sympathiser doesn't mean he supported their killing of British troops, and doesn't translate in to "and any other terrorist organisation that kills British troops."

And I am most certainly not a Corbyn fan.

 

[NooBHA]

Corbyn has MASSIVE support among the doe-eyed idealists, students and unwashed. He will remain leader of the labour party until his death in 20 or so years time. No compromise with the electorate.

Sadly, the man puts his socialist vision above pest control (keeping the currently verminous tories at bay).

I don't think he will stay on as Leader if Labour don't win. If you can't beat Boris you can't beat anyone.

I am a massive fan of Corbyn and his proposed Taxation Policy; however, he has to step aside if they don't win this Election.

I think the December Election might be in his favour despite what people are saying.

If the older voters don't get their Postal Vote sorted beforehand and the weather is really bad on the day then many elderly Tory Right Wing Voters may not turn out.

That's my hope anyhow but what is really needed is for the youngsters to galvanise their Peers to vote and for Jezza to produce a really solid Campaign in the coming weeks.

 

[Wardy's twin]

The most important issue facing us is Brexit as that will determine the way the economy will go for the next 20+ years.

If BREXIT is a moderate success (our income rises) it will have a massive negative impact on many people's lives as NHS gets broken up and state benefits continue to be reduced as we move towards a freer economy where there is even greater aggregation of wealth my a small minority.

If (as I expect) BREXIT fails to deliver benefits and our economy and incomes shrink then NHS still gets broken up and our benefits system gets screwed. Taxes will increase for the average tax payer to make up the gap in reduced GDP.

I hope the majority see what the Tory party has done and will continue to do if it wins i.e. screw the average person.

To me it needs to polarise around remain & leave and not labour, tory, lib_dem, snp or green .

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Corbyn has MASSIVE support among the doe-eyed idealists, students and unwashed. He will remain leader of the labour party until his death in 20 or so years time. No compromise with the electorate.

Well - given the fact that the great 'unwashed' make up a majority of the electorate I would suggest that he is representing the electorate rather than compromising with the elites (as the Blairites did for two decades.

Sadly, the man puts his socialist vision above pest control (keeping the currently verminous tories at bay).

well - here is your choice so - the Johnson Tories hacking public services to bits for the benefit of Trump's financial donors - or - the European Commission/ECB hacking public services to bits for the benefit of the gamblers in the European financial system.

Personally I would vote for the 'socialist vision' any day - the only way to deal with all the pests who want to make a financial killing out of health, housing and education.