Man Shot Dead On The Tube

[London Irish]

Actually no, as you are doing what you always do. But off you go and attack those that do not agree with you.

And you are once again ruining a thread with tedious personal attacks rather than debating the substantive arguments.

 

[Uncle Buck]

And you are once again ruining a thread with tedious personal attacks rather debating the substantive arguments.

But what is the point of debating anything with you?

People do not agree and you resort to launching personal attacks on them as for some perverted reason you deem yourself everyones intellectual superior and feel it is your lot in life to stuff your text book leftist views down their throats.

Half the time your name appears on a thread you know it is going to be ruined as nobody elses say matters.

 

[London Irish]

But what is the point of debating anything with you?

People do not agree and you resort to launching personal attacks on them as for some perverted reason you deem yourself everyones intellectual superior and feel it is your lot in life to stuff your text book leftist views down their throats.

Half the time your name appears on a thread you know it is going to be ruined as nobody elses say matters.

Do you actually have anything at all to say about the Stockwell shooting?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Do you actually have anything at all to say about the Stockwell shooting?

I do, but not with you as it is not worth the effort.

Now run along I think there might be some new members that you have not thrown your opinions at.

 

[Easy 10]

Busy street, central London, heightened security and paranoia following underground bombings 2 weeks earlier.

Bloke steps off bus and is suddenly hears "STOP POLICE". First thing he does is to ignore the order and sprint straight to the underground station, vault the barriers and head full pelt for the nearest train.

Sorry but that behaviour, in this current climate, can only be expected to incur the strongest possible reaction. The officer had a split second judgement call to make. If it turns out that he HAD been a bomber with 12 lbs of semtex strapped to his chest, and the officer had failed to prevent him activating it and wiping out a carriageful of people, then we'd have had people on here saying "the police had a chance to take him out before he got there, they were in pursuit why didn't they shoot etc etc"

Its a horrific incident, and tragic that an innocent man has lost his life because of what boils down to a misunderstanding...but that man was foolish to be running from the police. We don't have "brazilian death squads" over here, he'd been living in this country long enough to know that. Broad daylight, crowded streets, he was ordered to stop. So he ran. Sorry, but as he had nothing to hide, its his own stupidity that got him killed.

 

[London Irish]

I do, but not with you as it is not worth the effort.

Now run along I think there might be some new members that you have not thrown your opinions at.

Sorry to disappoint you, Uncle Buck, but no matter how many personal attacks you make on me (and you've been doing it for many months now), no matter how many threads you hijack with these tedious personal attacks, you are not going to stop me expressing my opinions on NSC, you are not going to make me "run along" anywhere. If you don't realise that by now, I guess you never will.

I am perfectly happy to wait here patiently until the subject of this thread resumes. Feel free to carry on the personal attacks if that is the only level you feel you can contribute.

 

[Meade's Ball]

And you are once again ruining a thread with tedious personal attacks rather than debating the substantive arguments.

I generally agree with your points LI, but you're being aggressive for no reason. By all means shout the loudest if you think that's the best thing to do, but be careful you don't end up with a megaphone at Oxford Circus bellowing "if you do the brown, you're going down."

 

[Uncle Buck]

Sorry to disappoint you, Uncle Buck, but no matter how many personal attacks you make on me (and you've been doing it for many months now), no matter how many threads you hijack with these tedious personal attacks, you are not going to stop me expressing my opinions on NSC, you are not going to make me "run along" anywhere. If you don't realise that by now, I guess you never will.

I am perfectly happy to wait here patiently until the subject of this thread resumes. Feel free to carry on the personal attacks if that is the only level you feel you can contribute.

I am glad we cleared that up. Must make you feel better.

 

[London Irish]

The officer had a split second judgement call to make.

I'm interested why you make this excuse for the police officer, and not the Brazilian.

I think it is certainly true in the case of the Brazilian, who reacted in a moment of split-second panic, but not true of the police.

The police had a far, far longer period where they examined intelligence before senior officers made the decision to designate this guy a suspected terrorist and apply the new shoot-to-kill policy to him. My feeling is that the inquiry will be looking more closely at this longer time-period even more so than whether the police shooters ignored any possible red flag warnings that this guy was merely an electrician on his way to his next job.

 

[caz99]

I have to agree with Uncle Buck I have read this thread through and was going to add my 'opinion'. However you seem to jump on anyone and everyone whos view point differs from yours.

Your condescending and very patronising. You preach about opinion but you need to think again about what that word means. Just that opnion, there is no right or wrong about them

 

[London Irish]

I generally agree with your points LI, but you're being aggressive for no reason. By all means shout the loudest if you think that's the best thing to do, but be careful you don't end up with a megaphone at Oxford Circus bellowing "if you do the brown, you're going down."

I like the fact you make your points with humour, I would simply ask you apply these same standards of behaviour to your NSP chums, cheers any chance of that?

 

[London Calling]

Most people I know- in fact everyone I know - has a similar view to Easy on this. All apart from Dad are of the green, leftist slant.

It just wasn't a split second panic. To go from the bus to a train at any underground station, involves a good 30 second running, past many other commuters. I believe his actions were as bizarre as the intelligence on him - was poor.

Where was this man's tool kit? If he was going n his next job, I would have thought a few screwdrivers would have been essential items. As it happens my brother is a sparky and he needs a van to carry all his equipment around!

 

[Hampden Park]

I'm interested why you make this excuse for the police officer, and not the Brazilian.

I think it is certainly true in the case of the Brazilian, who reacted in a moment of split-second panic, but not true of the police.

The police had a far, far longer period where they examined intelligence before senior officers made the decision to designate this guy a suspected terrorist and apply the new shoot-to-kill policy to him. My feeling is that the inquiry will be looking more closely at this longer time-period even more so than whether the police shooters ignored any possible red flag warnings that this guy was merely an electrician on his way to his next job.

LI i find your contributions very interesting and funny.all brazilian electricians must now have (on the backs of their coats in big red letters) 'i am a mere brazilian electrician, do not shoot. i may well run away when you shout "stop police"'

 

[CHAPPERS]

An electrician on his way to his next job WIHTOUT any tools?

 

[London Irish]

Just that opnion, there is no right or wrong about them

If there was nothing right or wrong about opinions, then there would never be any point in debating them. In fact, debating anything. Luckily for the survival of all messageboards, that isn't the case.

 

[Hampden Park]

An electrician on his way to his next job WIHTOUT any tools?

he had some wires sticking out of his pockets

 

[Uncle Buck]

If there was nothing right or wrong about opinions, then there would never be any point in debating them. In fact, debating anything. Luckily for the survival of all messageboards, that isn't the case.

You just have to get a snide comment in there. Well done.

 

[Pigsy]

If the police shooters believed he was a bomber, they had no alternative but to take the action they did.

 

[clapham_gull]

Most people I know- in fact everyone I know - has a similar view to Easy on this. All apart from Dad are of the green, leftist slant.

It just wasn't a split second panic. To go from the bus to a train at any underground station, involves a good 30 second running, past many other commuters. I believe his actions were as bizarre as the intelligence on him - was poor.

Having local knowledge ie. living 10 minutes from the station, he would have had to cross a very busy road from the bus stop to the station. I initially thought he would have stopped just outside the station, but if the Poilce reports are correct (and he came on a bus from Tulse Hill) then no.

Plus the area wouldn't have actually been that busy at that time of day, in terms of the amount of people around. It isn't exactly Oxford Street or Brighton Town Centre even. Very, very residential area, but only a few shops and businesses.

I do find it bizarre that he was allowed to get off the bus, cross the road and enter the tube station however. I would have thought that was the last place they would have wanted him to run.

 

[London Irish]

LI i find your contributions very interesting and funny.all brazilian electricians must now have (on the backs of their coats in big red letters) 'i am a mere brazilian electrician, do not shoot. i may well run away when you shout "stop police"'

Except you do not know the circumstances in which the police approached the Brazilian, and you do not know whether the Brazilian was able to clearly comprehend the instructions that were being shouted to him. If the police were terrified that he was a suicide bomber, I wonder how close they would have got to him before challenging him?

All this will be investigated at the inquiry. But it will be police intelligence, methods and procedures on trial, not the panicky reactions of an ordinary member of the public just going about his normal business.