[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely

[schmunk]

You do realise that black shirts are sooo last year, dahling!

Brown is the new black...

 

[The Clamp]

Just don't agree.

Belief in the death penalty and a strong anti-immigration stance aren't enough in themselves to be using these sort of words



Silly comment. We can debate this without smearing each other

I accept your earlier point about the need for vigilance and the risk of sliding into a much worse situation than we currently have

It’s not just a strong anti immigration or pro death penalty. It’s the finding of humour in it.

“100% don’t go on to reoffend”

And “let them get back on the dinghy’s”

The total lack of empathy. Total disregard for human life.

I am not saying we are heading for a Holocaust or a fourth Reich. But I am pointing out that these are the traits that lead to totalitarianism.

People are lead to believe that fascism can only mean genocide and antisemitism, war and Jack-boots.

But there are the more insidious techniques;

Demonising of specific groups of people, cruel immigration policy, fixation on crime and punishment.

Just a few of the tropes of fascism that are visible in the Tory party and certainly the Reform party.

We are not heading for a holocaust or genocide in this country but the taking over of a free society by a totalitarian government? The building blocks are in place.

 

[nicko31]

The Conservatives are absolutely still a centre right party.... those further to the right still have their say of course, they still get voted in, but they are a minority.... if you think they are a far right party, you need to look at the far right parties across Europe... AFD for example, they are proper far right entities.....

You are seemingly following the vocal left social media crowd.. "if you don't support Corbyn or at least read the Guardian daily, you are a fascist"..... laughable.

Believing in a free market economy, free speech and have a patriotic attitude towards your nation, does not make you an effin Nazi.

The Tories were centre right under Cameron, then they got consumed by nationalist fringe and kicked out a lot of their grandees and replaced them with populists. They're not far right but they are now hard right there's no escaping reality.

As for free speech you kidding? This is the party that prorogued our parliament, attacks our judiciary, tries to put their own cronies in charge of media regulation, attacks and infiltrates our institutions, shuts down peaceful protest, tries to weaponise climate change and suppresses democracy at the ballot box.

As for the free market, try telling that to our farmers being driven out of business with terrible trade deals....

 

[Guinness Boy]

Cancel culture doesn't have it's roots in the local Conservative Club does it?,....... Seething pseudo Marxists in student union across the country ( via the US) are the source of that particular contribution to free speech and debate.

That's just whataboutery and not my point. The Tories are stopping peaceful protest. The Tories control the media. And every rightwinger in the country shits themselves whenever Gary Lineker posts on 'X'.

 

[jcdenton08]

I agree with you totally. At a time when the Tories are imploding, when traditional centrist Tories have been left behind / expelled and when we are yet to see any upside of Brexit the Lib Dems are still trotting along at the same 9-10% in the polls as they were 5 years ago.

Go back 15-20 years and with this set of circumstances they'd be on 25%.

It is ironic that historically the Lib Dems have been dismissed as a party that will never get into power, yet UKIP - who have only ever had 2 MPs - have shaped British politics for the last decade.

It is good for politics, the nation and society to have strong opposition. I personally hope the Tories complete a root and branch relaunch after they are crushed later this year. We NEED strong adversarial opposition in our political system.

 

[Baldrick]

Oswald Moseley was anti semetic and wanted the integration of Europe into a single political entity.

Perhaps some posters on this thread can explain in more detail why they feel Lee Anderson has gone full Oswald Mosely, when Anderson voted for Brexit and is highly critical of the pro Palestinan demonstrations in favour of wiping out the Jews.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

It is good for politics, the nation and society to have strong opposition. I personally hope the Tories complete a root and branch relaunch after they are crushed later this year. We NEED strong adversarial opposition in our political system.

Yes, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the tories

 

[Randy McNob]

Whatever you think of Anderson, this whole charade is all about him, never about the local community or improving the lives of his constituents, instead arguing the people of Ashfields main concern is what's happening in London. Self serving and out of touch

 

[The Clamp]

'Disgusting': Lee Anderson slammed as he tells migrants to 'f*** off back to France'

LEE Anderson has attracted fierce criticism for telling asylum seekers to “f*** off back to France”.

www.thenational.scot

Some of whom fought for our country.

 

[BLOCK F]

The Conservatives are absolutely still a centre right party.... those further to the right still have their say of course, they still get voted in, but they are a minority.... if you think they are a far right party, you need to look at the far right parties across Europe... AFD for example, they are proper far right entities.....

You are seemingly following the vocal left social media crowd.. "if you don't support Corbyn or at least read the Guardian daily, you are a fascist"..... laughable.

Believing in a free market economy, free speech and have a patriotic attitude towards your nation, does not make you an effin Nazi.

Haha heathgate. I have been a Conservative voter all my life and have never bought a copy of the Guardian. I have, however, read a few articles online because there is no pay wall and I do like to hear the opinions of those whose politics I do not share. I often find the opinions expressed too smug and righteous to digest.
I will not be voting for the Conservatives at the next election because they have been in power for too long and quite frankly have become an absolute shambles. I cannot bring myself to vote Labour, so it will probably be a local independent if there is a sensible one standing in my constituency. Failing that, it will probably be The Monster Raving Loony Party, I’ve always had a soft spot for Screaming Lord Sutch . As for Corbyn, nothing more needs to be said than he and his cohort were never fit for office.
I don’t go along with some of the opinions expressed on here that the Conservative Party is bordering on Fascism, but I also find myself well out of kilter with the likes of Braverman and her followers, also Badenoch concerns me. There are others as well. The party is presently akin to a ship without a moral compass.
I consider myself centre right. How about you?

 

[The Clamp]

I am centre right with some lefty leanings. And I find Anderson a bit of a fascist.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

While i'm not a fan of Reform UK, fascist is a strong word with a specific meaning.

I've not seen evidence they have tipped over into fascism

Ever heard the one about the emperor’s suit of clothes?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You do realise that black shirts are sooo last year, dahling!

Especially with a white tie.

 

[chickens]

I think the Anderson apologists scare me more than Anderson himself. It’s the normalisation of hate rhetoric that is how fascism creeps in, and far too many people are quite complacent about the sort of language he’s using and his dog whistle tactics to shore up his support.

I accept that there are many individuals who aren’t alarmed, and feel it’s all part of the cut and thrust of politics, but the acid test of whether something’s really acceptable is to pretend for a minute that you or yours are part of whichever group is being demonised at that precise moment, and decide whether you’d be comfortable being described in those terms, or having your loved ones described in those terms.

In my opinion more people should be alarmed, we fought against this in 1939, don’t bloody well invite it to form a government in 2024.

 

[The Clamp]

“It couldn’t happen here”

 

[The Clamp]

Just had a look at their policy website. Oh dear.

Good to see they are taking it all seriously.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It’s not just a strong anti immigration or pro death penalty. It’s the finding of humour in it.

“100% don’t go on to reoffend”

And “let them get back on the dinghy’s”

The total lack of empathy. Total disregard for human life.

I am not saying we are heading for a Holocaust or a fourth Reich. But I am pointing out that these are the traits that lead to totalitarianism.

People are lead to believe that fascism can only mean genocide and antisemitism, war and Jack-boots.

But there are the more insidious techniques;

Demonising of specific groups of people, cruel immigration policy, fixation on crime and punishment.

Just a few of the tropes of fascism that are visible in the Tory party and certainly the Reform party.

We are not heading for a holocaust or genocide in this country but the taking over of a free society by a totalitarian government? The building blocks are in place.

Precisely. I am quite happy to refer to that scummy 'party' as fascist. 'Reform', my arse. 'Making Britain Great Again'. FFS. Where will the wall go up? Goodwin Sands? Paid for by the French, no doubt.

Burn them. BURN them!

Burn them.

Just don't vote for them.

 

[The Clamp]

In all seriousness, there’s just no substance to it.

That doesn’t make it fascist in itself.

It’s more like a wish list mixed with MAGA style proclamations about Brexit and ireland.

A mess, in other words.

Policies Reform UK

www.reformparty.uk

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Anderson on Farage - Reform's answer to Diane Abbott
Tice on Anderson - I'm pound shop and he is 30p Lee

Strange bedfellows.

Unbelievable.

Perhaps calling them fascists assumes more organizational acumen and more (than a goldfish) memory skills than they in fact possess.

A marriage of public inconvenience. Soon to be quickly flushed down the political shitter, one hopes.

 

[Cordwainer]

In all seriousness, there’s just no substance to it.

That doesn’t make it fascist in itself.

It’s more like a wish list mixed with MAGA style proclamations about Brexit and ireland.

A mess, in other words.

Policies Reform UK

www.reformparty.uk

In an attempt to cheer myself up I just looked at the same.

The surname of Hove n Portslades PPC

Hove and Portslade Constituency - Martin Hess Reform UK

Martin Hess is the Reform UK Candidate for the Hove and Portslade constituency and will be your Reform UK representative at the General Election.

www.reformparty.uk

Mega lol.