[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely

[Pogue Mahone]

Especially with a white tie.

 

[A1X]

After starting out in labour, via a stint with the tories, Anderson is about to join the new British fascists. Heartwarming scenes.

Mosely went Tory, Labour, Fascist, so there is a small difference. And unlike Mosely, Anderson does not have the 'breeding' (or sense of entitlement to be precise) to presume to become leader.

I dislike this comparison. Far be it from me to defend Moseley, but he was (by all accounts) intelligent, charming and erudite. I don't believe Lee could even spell those traits, never mind display them.

 

[Zeberdi]

Oswald Moseley was anti semetic and wanted the integration of Europe into a single political entity.

Perhaps some posters on this thread can explain in more detail why they feel Lee Anderson has gone full Oswald Mosely, when Anderson voted for Brexit and is highly critical of the pro Palestinan demonstrations in favour of wiping out the Jews.

A very hard right, sweeping characterisation of the Pro-Palestinian demonstrations if you don’t mind me saying so.

Anti-semitism and Islamophobia are two sides of the same coin that de-humanises others. It matters not whether the target of such discrimination are Jewish or Muslim or any other cultural/racial/religious group but only that sectors of society are demonised based on cultural and/or religious difference or ethnicity - it matters in how discriminatory ideology is expressed in the form of exclusion policies, curtailment of political and civil rights, law and order and ultimately in the form of genocide or/and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

The way I see Anderson, Braverman, Tice, Farage and Reform UK.

Unpleasant? Very
Incompetent Certainly
Racist? I think there is strong evidence

Fascist? In my understanding, this is where racial hatred is backed up with organised intimidation and violence. So no I don’t agree this is the case. Potentially in the future? Who knows. And we should never be complacent. But the accusation in the opening post is that Reform UK are the new British Fascists.

Though I don’t like Reform UK, they aren’t the National Front. They aren’t even as brazen as the BNP. Concerningly they are polling 12% and this is likely enough to influence the outcome of the election. For this reason, they can’t just be ignored. If you dismiss the 12% of the UK electorate willing to vote for them as fascists, how are you ever going to get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking

 

[London Irish]

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Yes that must have been a very uncomfortable moment for him, often in the Labour party you do have to hold banners of the party leader in group shots. If you are trying to imply he was a supporter of Corbyn, that is a massive fib, he's always been a fixer of the Labour Right.

Here's the contemporaneous truth https://www.chad.co.uk/news/lee-anderson-deselected-as-labour-candidate-1056027

“I can only put it down to the fact that I don’t always toe the line - I did not back Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour party and I was in favour of Brexit"

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I dislike this comparison. Far be it from me to defend Moseley, but he was (by all accounts) intelligent, charming and erudite. I don't believe Lee could even spell those traits, never mind display them.

and a MASSIVE wrong 'un.

I was hoping the comparison would annoy Reform supporters. Unless I have those on NSC all on ignore, it seems they are delighted with it.

 

[The Clamp]

The way I see Anderson, Braverman, Tice, Farage and Reform UK.

Unpleasant? Very
Incompetent Certainly
Racist? I think there is strong evidence

Fascist? In my understanding, this is where racial hatred is backed up with organised intimidation and violence. So no I don’t agree this is the case. Potentially in the future? Who knows. And we should never be complacent. But the accusation in the opening post is that Reform UK are the new British Fascists.

Though I don’t like Reform UK, they aren’t the National Front. They aren’t even as brazen as the BNP. Concerningly they are polling 12% and this is likely enough to influence the outcome of the election. For this reason, they can’t just be ignored. If you dismiss the 12% of the UK electorate willing to vote for them as fascists, how are you ever going to get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking

I’m not dismissing them as fascists.

But you make a good point.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes that must have been a very uncomfortable moment for him, often in the Labour party you do have to hold banners of the party leader in group shots. If you are trying to imply he was a supporter of Corbyn, that is a massive fib, he's always been a fixer of the Labour Right.

Here's the contemporaneous truth https://www.chad.co.uk/news/lee-anderson-deselected-as-labour-candidate-1056027

“I can only put it down to the fact that I don’t always toe the line - I did not back Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour party and I was in favour of Brexit"

I agree but so was Corbyn (in favour of Brexit).

 

[A1X]

and a MASSIVE wrong 'un.

I was hoping the comparison would annoy Reform supporters. Unless I have those on NSC all on ignore, it seems they are delighted with it.

Oh you won't find me disagreeing that he was a wrong 'un

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I agree but so was Corbyn (in favour of Brexit).

He campaigned for remain

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He campaigned for remain

He hardly campaigned at all. It was Labour policy to back Remain but Corbyn's own preference was Brexit. He thought cheap foreign labour was stealing jobs from British workers.

 

[Nobby]

I think the Anderson apologists scare me more than Anderson himself. It’s the normalisation of hate rhetoric that is how fascism creeps in, and far too many people are quite complacent about the sort of language he’s using and his dog whistle tactics to shore up his support.

I accept that there are many individuals who aren’t alarmed, and feel it’s all part of the cut and thrust of politics, but the acid test of whether something’s really acceptable is to pretend for a minute that you or yours are part of whichever group is being demonised at that precise moment, and decide whether you’d be comfortable being described in those terms, or having your loved ones described in those terms.

In my opinion more people should be alarmed, we fought against this in 1939, don’t bloody well invite it to form a government in 2024.

THIS THIS THIS

 

[Guinness Boy]

In an attempt to cheer myself up I just looked at the same.

The surname of Hove n Portslades PPC

Hove and Portslade Constituency - Martin Hess Reform UK

Martin Hess is the Reform UK Candidate for the Hove and Portslade constituency and will be your Reform UK representative at the General Election.

www.reformparty.uk

Mega lol.

Please come to my house to campaign Martin. Really.

 

[nicko31]

He hardly campaigned at all. It was Labour policy to back Remain but Corbyn's own preference was Brexit. He thought cheap foreign labour was stealing jobs from British workers.

He went AWOL during the referendum campaign, in my book his abstinence got it over the line.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The way I see Anderson, Braverman, Tice, Farage and Reform UK.

Unpleasant? Very
Incompetent Certainly
Racist? I think there is strong evidence

Fascist? In my understanding, this is where racial hatred is backed up with organised intimidation and violence. So no I don’t agree this is the case. Potentially in the future? Who knows. And we should never be complacent. But the accusation in the opening post is that Reform UK are the new British Fascists.

Though I don’t like Reform UK, they aren’t the National Front. They aren’t even as brazen as the BNP. Concerningly they are polling 12% and this is likely enough to influence the outcome of the election. For this reason, they can’t just be ignored. If you dismiss the 12% of the UK electorate willing to vote for them as fascists, how are you ever going to get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking

I don't think that 12% of the UK electorate are willing to vote for them as fascists, as you point out above I think that the majority of the 12% would vote for them because of a mixture of

They like unpleasantness (as long as it's aimed at others)
They're totally incapable of recognising incompetence
They are probably a bit racist

I suspect that most of them wouldn't recognise a fascist trait if it danced naked in front of them singing loudly 'I'm a fascist trait'

How you ever get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking though and not just vote for the next magic bean seller, I have no idea

 

[Cordwainer]

Please come to my house to campaign Martin. Really.

I can’t wait to have a full frank and meaningful doorstep discussion on all of their fantastically well thought out, well written and extremely achievable policies.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Please come to my house to campaign Martin. Really.

He's a 1901 member apparently.

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[Deportivo Seagull]

The Conservatives are absolutely still a centre right party.... those further to the right still have their say of course, they still get voted in, but they are a minority.... if you think they are a far right party, you need to look at the far right parties across Europe... AFD for example, they are proper far right entities.....

You are seemingly following the vocal left social media crowd.. "if you don't support Corbyn or at least read the Guardian daily, you are a fascist"..... laughable.

Believing in a free market economy, free speech and have a patriotic attitude towards your nation, does not make you an effin Nazi.

I don’t read the Guardian and thought Corbyn an unelectable little shit, yet still find the present conservative party a bunch of wanna facists, who come across as a bunch of ****s.
no one has said being patriotic makes you a Nazi, however using your patriotism as some justification for being a racist, homophobic prick does.

 

[London Irish]

I agree but so was Corbyn (in favour of Brexit).

No he wasn't, you need to improve your news sources. The Labour Party policy under Corbyn was "Remain and Reform". Like every politician before the referendum, he pledged to carry out the wishes of the voters re. the referendum result, like any true democrat. Large parts of the Labour Party (but not him) and the Lib Dems scabbed on those promises to voters - allowing the likes of Farage and Anderson to prosper by pointing out an obvious betrayal

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No he wasn't, you need to improve your news sources. The Labour Party policy under Corbyn was "Remain and Reform". Like every politician before the referendum, he pledged to carry out the wishes of the voters, like a true democrat. Large parts of the Labour Party (but not him) and the Lib Dems scabbed on those promises to voters

I said the Labour Party policy was Remain. After the vote Corbyn talked about his preference in an interview on tv, that I watched. When asked if he would vote against Theresa May's Bill, he said he would follow democracy (ahem) and that 'ship' had sailed.
Others realised that Vote Leave had broken electoral law, and were going to oppose it.