Gus

[toostonedtocare]

Why's that Large?...What have I put that is factually incorrect?....I just want people's honest answers, why can't you just answer the question?

The only honest answer here is that you are a total prick.

 

[kevtherev]

OK - I'll do my best, but be in no doubt, the way you've posted your question, you HAVE loaded it. If you can't see that, more fool you.

McGhee's achievement in keeping Brighton up that season was little short of miraculous - and should forever be applauded and appreciated. However, they way you've worded it, it makes out he only had sub-standard rubbish to play with; those players were better than that. Otherwise, why mention them? We had Premiership players playing for us in that season too.

Regarding this season - One, you call ninth 'mid-table'. You don't call it, say, 'top-half', or 'just outside the play-offs'. You see what I mean by 'loaded'?

Two, you mention playing at the Amex. Yes, we're playing to bigger crowds, but that doesn't automatically mean we play better football - no matter who is in charge. It also doesn't mean we're competing on a level playing field with other club. This is our first season here, with no previous seasons' heavy spending in comparison to other clubs.

The 'facts' as you present them only tell a tiny amount of the story.

So which is the better achievement? The fact is... no, it's not a simple question - nor does it have a straightforward answer. It's like comparing apples with oranges.

No where did I state the players under McGhee were sub standard, you did.
The table is made up of 24 team 1-8 Top third, 9-16 mid table, 17-24 bottom third.
Of course bigger crowds does not automatically mean better football, but it does mean better budget's i.e more money to spend(who has Poyet had to sell by the way?)
Listen, I am not saying sack Poyet. I'm not even saying he is doing a bad job, overall. What I am saying, is he has one(THAT'S ONE) league 1 championship on his cv, that's it, nothing more. He is totally unproven at this level and recent weeks have proven this. Will he improve or will he fall by the wayside?.Well that remains to be seen. But Poyet has an over inflated opinion of himself and his ego is cashing cheques that's his ability does not match, as yet...All i've said all along, is any manager worth his salt (and a lot aren't worth a wank, i'll give you that) would have got us where Poyet has this season. I just don't get this hero worship crap, he has proved nothing at this level, so far...and you still didn't answer the question, for the record I think McGhee keeping us in this division at Withdean, with both hands and legs tied behind his back. Far outweighs what Poyet has done this season, with the tools he has at his disposal.

 

[bhawoddy]

No where did I state the players under McGhee were sub standard, you did.
The table is made up of 24 team 1-8 Top third, 9-16 mid table, 17-24 bottom third.
Of course bigger crowds does not automatically mean better football, but it does mean better budget's i.e more money to spend(who has Poyet had to sell by the way?)
Listen, I am not saying sack Poyet. I'm not even saying he is doing a bad job, overall. What I am saying, is he has one(THAT'S ONE) league 1 championship on his cv, that's it, nothing more. He is totally unproven at this level and recent weeks have proven this. Will he improve or will he fall by the wayside?.Well that remains to be seen. But Poyet has an over inflated opinion of himself and his ego is cashing cheques that's his ability does not match, as yet...All i've said all along, is any manager worth his salt (and a lot aren't worth a wank, i'll give you that) would have got us where Poyet has this season. I just don't get this hero worship crap, he has proved nothing at this level, so far...and you still didn't answer the question, for the record I think McGhee keeping us in this division at Withdean, with both hands and legs tied behind his back. Far outweighs what Poyet has done this season, with the tools he has at his disposal.

Surely a comparison between the 2 cannot be compared. Very different situations IMO. Unless both had identical scenarios i would guess its impossible to compare like for like.

But, IMO Gus is a better all round manager than McGhee. Nothing against McGhee BTW.

 

[kevtherev]

The only honest answer here is that you are a total prick.

Does it make you feel hard insulting people, just because you don't share their point of view. Or are you so thick you have to resort to insults, instead of having a constructive opinion. Go back to sniffing your mum's knickers when she is at work, when you get in from school.

 

[Seasidesage]

4th from bottom?.........not with the money we have spent,surely?

Sure why not? This season was about establishing ourselves in the Championship, didn't really matter which position we finished in...

 

[Langley]

Our 1st season under Gus in the Championship, yes he has made mistakes, but how many of you Gus critics can tell me that youve never made a mistake, do so and I will call you a liar. If you want to critisise him, well thats you perogative, but DO NOT insult him, that is an insult to the club and what he stands for.

 

[Cronolegs]

Our 1st season under Gus in the Championship, yes he has made mistakes, but how many of you Gus critics can tell me that youve never made a mistake, do so and I will call you a liar. If you want to critisise him, well thats you perogative, but DO NOT insult him, that is an insult to the club and what he stands for.

Great post. Gus is Brighton FC and everything he stands for is the same viewpoint as the club.

 

[kevtherev]

Great post. Gus is Brighton FC and everything he stands for is the same viewpoint as the club.

I'm not sure that's quite right.....Ref Luis Suarez??

 

[toostonedtocare]

Does it make you feel hard insulting people, just because you don't share their point of view. Or are you so thick you have to resort to insults, instead of having a constructive opinion. Go back to sniffing your mum's knickers when she is at work, when you get in from school.

I get where you are coming from....

 

[Washie]

Please

 

[The Large One]

No where did I state the players under McGhee were sub standard, you did.
The table is made up of 24 team 1-8 Top third, 9-16 mid table, 17-24 bottom third.
Of course bigger crowds does not automatically mean better football, but it does mean better budget's i.e more money to spend(who has Poyet had to sell by the way?)
Listen, I am not saying sack Poyet. I'm not even saying he is doing a bad job, overall. What I am saying, is he has one(THAT'S ONE) league 1 championship on his cv, that's it, nothing more. He is totally unproven at this level and recent weeks have proven this. Will he improve or will he fall by the wayside?.Well that remains to be seen. But Poyet has an over inflated opinion of himself and his ego is cashing cheques that's his ability does not match, as yet...All i've said all along, is any manager worth his salt (and a lot aren't worth a wank, i'll give you that) would have got us where Poyet has this season. I just don't get this hero worship crap, he has proved nothing at this level, so far...and you still didn't answer the question, for the record I think McGhee keeping us in this division at Withdean, with both hands and legs tied behind his back. Far outweighs what Poyet has done this season, with the tools he has at his disposal.

So much supposition and guesswork.

He's had more money to spend, sure - but this is the first season he's had that opportunity, and that does not mean it's (a) enough to to turn them into promotion candidates when (b) most other clubs have had money to spend for YEARS.

You can get inside his mind and make out exactly what his opinion is of himself? That's clever. And even if he is arrogant - so what? I'm delighted he is.

I did answer the question. I just didn't answer it with the answer you wanted to hear. But it was always going to be pretty f***ing obvious what your answer was. It's also irrelevant when comparing then with now.

Try being more objective than just listing selective facts to back up your flimsy contention.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

11 points in 11 games and no win in 6. You people who abused people who dare to say he has f***ed it up should wake up and smell he coffee. Would we have taken 10th at the start, yes...Would we have taken 10th six weeks ago, no....He has f***ed it up and to all those who disagree, crawl out of Poyet's arse please!!!.....

 

[BLOCK F]

Sure why not? This season was about establishing ourselves in the Championship, didn't really matter which position we finished in...

You might have been happy,but I don't think the majority of fans or Tony Bloom and his fellow Board members would have been satisfied.
Mark Mcghee did that with f--k all funds in a shithouse stadium,so it wouldn't say a lot for Gus and the money he has spent would it!

 

[kevtherev]

So much supposition and guesswork.

He's had more money to spend, sure - but this is the first season he's had that opportunity, and that does not mean it's (a) enough to to turn them into promotion candidates when (b) most other clubs have had money to spend for YEARS.

You can get inside his mind and make out exactly what his opinion is of himself? That's clever. And even if he is arrogant - so what? I'm delighted he is.

I did answer the question. I just didn't answer it with the answer you wanted to hear. But it was always going to be pretty f***ing obvious what your answer was. It's also irrelevant when comparing then with now.

Try being more objective than just listing selective facts to back up your flimsy contention.

We could argue the toss all night. Like I said, i'm not saying Poyet should be sacked, i'm just saying I don't think he is all that, that's all....Look at Adkins, now there is a manager that has proved his worth(where did they finish last season?..How many million's did they spend in the summer?)....All i'm saying is this season was Poyet's first mixing it with the bigger boys(not the big boys) and at this moment in time the jury is out.....Right now time for Chelsea/ Barcelona.....(i'm sure Gus will be interviewed about it tomorrow on the radio/tv and he can tell the world how great Chelsea are,,,,again!!...lol.)

 

[albion68]

Can any Brighton fan tell me why Gus brought two of our less skillfull players back into the team after long term injury,when we were doing well ,cant comprehend it ,overall been a good season though .

 

[Dave the OAP]

To see if they had recovered well and if it is worth keeping them.

Why have people not clocked this.....this has been going on since the derby game.

 

[El Presidente]

We could argue the toss all night. Like I said, i'm not saying Poyet should be sacked, i'm just saying I don't think he is all that, that's all....Look at Adkins, now there is a manager that has proved his worth(where did they finish last season?..How many million's did they spend in the summer?)....All i'm saying is this season was Poyet's first mixing it with the bigger boys(not the big boys) and at this moment in time the jury is out.....Right now time for Chelsea/ Barcelona.....(i'm sure Gus will be interviewed about it tomorrow on the radio/tv and he can tell the world how great Chelsea are,,,,again!!...lol.)

Adkins has done a very good job, but his squad last season was better than ours, his wage bill at £11 million was twice that of the Albion's, and he has spent well on the likes of Sharp (£2 million) and Cork (£750k and £23,000 a week), amongst others.

People forget that we lost our leading striker (Murray) and best player (Bennett) from last season, so although we have spent big on CMS and Buckley the improvement to the squad has been marginal.

If Saints had sold equivalent players in Lambert and Lallana they would not, I suspect, be where they are today. However fair play to them for what they have achieved this season.

 

[The Large One]

We could argue the toss all night. Like I said, i'm not saying Poyet should be sacked, i'm just saying I don't think he is all that, that's all....Look at Adkins, now there is a manager that has proved his worth(where did they finish last season?..How many million's did they spend in the summer?)....All i'm saying is this season was Poyet's first mixing it with the bigger boys(not the big boys) and at this moment in time the jury is out.....Right now time for Chelsea/ Barcelona.....(i'm sure Gus will be interviewed about it tomorrow on the radio/tv and he can tell the world how great Chelsea are,,,,again!!...lol.)

You're just not getting it, are you?

You're being told and told and told the reasons for what is happening, and you're still off in your own little fantasy world.

 

[Teddy Maybank]

Gus has raised the bar and transformed brighton and hove Albion. I love him and am profoundly grateful that he has spent time with us at our club. Remember where we were before we played Southampton. Look where we are now. Thanks Gus. Thanks Tony.

 

[zoogull]

This year was supposed to be a transitional year as we got used to football at a higher level: I would have settled for mid-table, let alone top half if asked back in August, and so I imagine would most Seagulls fans.

The trouble is that too many football fans are fickle. Gus has done a good job with a limited budget, hence all the loan players. He's got us to within a stone's throw of the play-offs. The fact that we didn't quite make it could be down to the fact that we haven't got the experience of teams like Middlesborough, Cardiff, Blackpool, Reading or West Ham.

So why is he being accused of throwing away a playoff spot when it was never really ours in the first place?

Perhaps some people on this board need to take a reality check.