Gus

[LamieRobertson]

You're just not getting it, are you?

You're being told and told and told the reasons for what is happening, and you're still off in your own little fantasy world.

You're just not getting it, are you?


are you surprised?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Adkins has done a very good job, but his squad last season was better than ours, his wage bill at £11 million was twice that of the Albion's, and he has spent well on the likes of Sharp (£2 million) and Cork (£750k and £23,000 a week), amongst others.

People forget that we lost our leading striker (Murray) and best player (Bennett) from last season, so although we have spent big on CMS and Buckley the improvement to the squad has been marginal.

If Saints had sold equivalent players in Lambert and Lallana they would not, I suspect, be where they are today. However fair play to them for what they have achieved this season.

Other than the qualification that Murray was no Lambert - you have posted the financial reality. We have over-performed and Gus and the team should be given all due credit for that.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

This year was supposed to be a transitional year as we got used to football at a higher level: I would have settled for mid-table, let alone top half if asked back in August, and so I imagine would most Seagulls fans.

The trouble is that too many football fans are fickle. Gus has done a good job with a limited budget, hence all the loan players. He's got us to within a stone's throw of the play-offs. The fact that we didn't quite make it could be down to the fact that we haven't got the experience of teams like Middlesborough, Cardiff, Blackpool, Reading or West Ham.

So why is he being accused of throwing away a playoff spot when it was never really ours in the first place?

Perhaps some people on this board need to take a reality check.

Quite. Well said.

 

[kevtherev]

You're just not getting it, are you?

You're being told and told and told the reasons for what is happening, and you're still off in your own little fantasy world.

Whatever....I have more or less said let agree to disagree, which is what having an opinion is all about. But it would appear you would back Poyet to the hilt. You maybe right, you maybe wrong, time will tell....I still say he will walk and IF he does and uses the fans as one of the reasons,,,,then god help him wherever he goes next. This club was here a long time before Poyet arrived and will be here a long time after he has gone. What's been good for Brighton, has been good for Poyet, he would do well to remember that now and then, instead of thinking it's all about himself. Brighton and Hove Albion and Tony Bloom gave Poyet the platform to do what he has and his first break in management. In return he slags the fans off, never praises them and constantly whinges about the budget, despite having more than any manager since Mullery....and quite frankly apart from maybe Calderon(no fee involved), name me one player Poyet has signed who you could honestly say was value for money and was a bargain....Like I say, in the greater scheme of things he has achieved very little so far in management. The jury is out,on many issues....Tactics/Squad Harmony/ Discipline/ Respect / Transfers.....oh the more I think about it, the list is endless.

 

[supaseagull]

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[The Large One]

Other than the qualification that Murray was no Lambert - you have posted the financial reality. We have over-performed and Gus and the team should be given all due credit for that.

Any point in telling kevetherev that - or is he too blind and ignorant for that?

I've tried - and he's not listening. He's only believing his own selective memory.

 

[kevtherev]

Any point in telling kevetherev that - or is he too blind and ignorant for that?

I've tried - and he's not listening. He's only believing his own selective memory.

Just watch your f***ing insults..I never insult anyone who doesn't insult me first..Calling someone ignorant or whatever just because they dont agree with you,,shows what a self centred tosser you really are,,with your 40 thousand posts.

 

[goldstone]

My take on this.

Gus did a brilliant job to get us into a playoff spot. Much better than I had hoped for this season.

HOWEVER, having got us there I do believe he is the one at fault for letting us slip down the table and our recent bad run of form:
- Too much tinkering with the line-up. No chance for the players to get used to playing together.
- We have three very good wingers. For f***s sake use them, Gus.
- Why not play Vokes and CMS together?
- Sticking with Barnes when his recent form has seen a dip.
- Bringing back Painter who was clearly not up to the task.
- Ditto Dicker.
- Ignoring Vincelot. we have a very good player there. Use him!

I forecast an 8th place finish and I was being optimistic. If we do end up around there it will have been a very good season. BUT I am just a little frustrated that it did not end on a more positive note.

And another thing. Has Gus got a problem maintaining momentum towards season end? Very poor end to last season with those two home defeats and failing to reach the 100 points mark. And same thing happening this season.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

And another thing. Has Gus got a problem maintaining momentum towards season end? Very poor end to last season with those two home defeats and failing to reach the 100 points mark. And same thing happening this season.

goldstone - are you being serious ? We didn't maintain momentum last year as we had won the Title and were in celebration mode. That is good management. The players achieved the maximum expected and were allowed to enjoy the moment.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

apart from maybe Calderon(no fee involved), name me one player Poyet has signed who you could honestly say was value for money and was a bargain

Vicente?

 

[The Large One]

Just watch your f***ing insults..I never insult anyone who doesn't insult me first..Calling someone ignorant or whatever just because they dont agree with you,,shows what a self centred tosser you really are,,with your 40 thousand posts.

So calling most people 'brainwashed' (an inference that you're the only one with clarity of thought, and the rest of us are mere sheep) isn't self-centred and insulting?

You deal in irrelevancies, selective facts, and a lack of objectivity.

Believe me, I don't call you ignorant on the back of you disagreeing with most people...

 

[Deleted member 22389]

This year was supposed to be a transitional year as we got used to football at a higher level: I would have settled for mid-table, let alone top half if asked back in August, and so I imagine would most Seagulls fans.

The trouble is that too many football fans are fickle. Gus has done a good job with a limited budget, hence all the loan players. He's got us to within a stone's throw of the play-offs. The fact that we didn't quite make it could be down to the fact that we haven't got the experience of teams like Middlesborough, Cardiff, Blackpool, Reading or West Ham.

So why is he being accused of throwing away a playoff spot when it was never really ours in the first place?

Perhaps some people on this board need to take a reality check.

Spot on. We have exceeded expectations this season. The whole point of this season was to find our way in the Championship. The last adventures in the Championship ended in disaster.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Vicente?

Bridcutt ?

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Vicente?

Who?

Oh you mean the WORLD CLASS, CHAMPIONS LEAGUE MASTER, LA LIGA TITLE WINNING. SPANISH INTERNATIONAL SUPERSTAR?

Nah, never heard of him.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

name me one player Poyet has signed who you could honestly say was value for money and was a bargain.

Bulgarian international Radostin Kishishev
Spanish international Vicente.
Will Buckley - One of most exciting youngsters
Gordon Greer - 250k
Ashley Barnes - 2nd top scorer in League One championship winning season. Top scorer this year.
Sandaza was a free transfer who grabbed a few VERY important goals on our way to promotion

but yeah, you're right. It's not like any of those players are bargains....

 

[Hamilton]

Whatever....I have more or less said let agree to disagree, which is what having an opinion is all about. But it would appear you would back Poyet to the hilt. You maybe right, you maybe wrong, time will tell....I still say he will walk and IF he does and uses the fans as one of the reasons,,,,then god help him wherever he goes next. This club was here a long time before Poyet arrived and will be here a long time after he has gone. What's been good for Brighton, has been good for Poyet, he would do well to remember that now and then, instead of thinking it's all about himself. Brighton and Hove Albion and Tony Bloom gave Poyet the platform to do what he has and his first break in management. In return he slags the fans off, never praises them and constantly whinges about the budget, despite having more than any manager since Mullery....and quite frankly apart from maybe Calderon(no fee involved), name me one player Poyet has signed who you could honestly say was value for money and was a bargain....Like I say, in the greater scheme of things he has achieved very little so far in management. The jury is out,on many issues....Tactics/Squad Harmony/ Discipline/ Respect / Transfers.....oh the more I think about it, the list is endless.

You can't agree to disagree when there is absolutely nobody on here that supports you. Why should anybody agree to disagree with you when they find your points misguided and damaging. Having read the thread I sense that you are just being stubborn.

 

[BLOCK F]

You can't agree to disagree when there is absolutely nobody on here that supports you. Why should anybody agree to disagree with you when they find your points misguided and damaging. Having read the thread I sense that you are just being stubborn.

I do not necessarily agree with everything that the Rev has said during this 'discussion' but nevertheless,he has made some valid points that quite a few posters on other similar threads agree with.
I am sure everyone wants Gus to succeed,but I do believe he has been 'bigged up' a tad too much and hence when things have gone awry,the two sides of opinion tend to polarise and views become deeply entrenched and bad tempered.
From my own point of view,he is still very much a work in progress as a manager and at this stage of his career has it all to prove.I am not entirely convinced by him.I hope I am wrong;as always time will tell.

 

[LamieRobertson]

goldstone - are you being serious ? We didn't maintain momentum last year as we had won the Title and were in celebration mode. That is good management. The players achieved the maximum expected and were allowed to enjoy the moment.

far too sensible a post..did it really matter we tailed off at the end last season? Nope course not ..and this one ..well for starters theres 2 games to go yet and most of us know we have over performed re the limitations of our squad and the only game where we haven't been in it has been West Ham..i don't call that bad at all

 

[JBizzle]

Bulgarian international Radostin Kishishev
Spanish international Vicente.
Will Buckley - One of most exciting youngsters
Gordon Greer - 250k
Ashley Barnes - 2nd top scorer in League One championship winning season. Top scorer this year.
Sandaza was a free transfer who grabbed a few VERY important goals on our way to promotion

but yeah, you're right. It's not like any of those players are bargains....

Lua Lua, Noone too and then there's the players signed who kept us up/won the title: Bridcutt, Dicker, Painter added to the ones previously mentioned. Sure they're not champ level but they were all a VAST improvement on their predecessors...

 

[LamieRobertson]

I do not necessarily agree with everything that the Rev has said during this 'discussion' but nevertheless,he has made some valid points that quite a few posters on other similar threads agree with.
I am sure everyone wants Gus to succeed,but I do believe he has been 'bigged up' a tad too much and hence when things have gone awry,the two sides of opinion tend to polarise and views become deeply entrenched and bad tempered.
From my own point of view,he is still very much a work in progress as a manager and at this stage of his career has it all to prove.I am not entirely convinced by him.I hope I am wrong;as always time will tell.

O there are definitely people who have a similar view to him some of which i agree with....and it seems that on this thread/site if you say something positive about the manager u r a poyet lover and if u criticise then u r a poyet hater...which blurs the argument....but there are those who seem to criticise him almost from a default position week after week