Exclusive Swoop - Poyets master plan tatics uncovered

[swervy_123]

sorry now seen europa cup

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Why? Because I cannot stand continental football? Nope, I don't like to watch defenders pass the ball about aimlessly until it gets given away by a stray pass brought about by boredom. No passion, no aggression, NOT ENGLISH by nature.

That English "passion" has served the England team so well on the international stage in recent years. Formations and styles of football have changed. We are lucky to have such a forward thinking manager that wants to play that football in the lower leagues and make it work.

No aggression? I suggest you need to keep an closer eye on Greer, El-Abd and Bridcutt in future games.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Absolute attention seeking drivel. Can't believe I read all 5 pages.

We came up from League 1 last year as champions, have had a reasonable budget for this season which was spent wisely. If we get lucky and make the play-offs then Gus has performed a miracle. If we finish anywhere between 8-12 then that's where I expected us to finish. Gus is laying the foundations for something spectacular in the next few seasons. Relax and enjoy the ride.

The problem with this board is people can be so myopic after one game and need to look at the bigger picture. Gus had suspensions for the Burnley game and maybe some other players weren't fit enough to start but were fit enough for the bench. So he may have decided not to risk them and save them for the Reading game. This is the first time Gus has been a manager at championship level, he is learning as he goes and we are knocking on the door of the play-offs. Imagine next season with a bigger budget and more players knowing about the rise of Brighton and Hove Albion and the brand of football that gets played here.

Hurray for common sense.

 

[jackcgull]

it is also fair to say that the teams we are playing this year are better and more experienced than us on paper. if we play wingers both sides etc etc - we will concede goals - a la late sep/oct. gus has adapted and now we are battling to eke out points in a tough league against solid opponents. there isn't a single team in this league that we have a right to beat - every point is earned in the way that gus sees as the best option based on what he is up against. he may well have got some decisions wrong - he has admitted as much. we also don't know all the facts about fitness, mentality etc etc.
5 games to go and we could still be in the prem come august - how the hell can you moan??

 

[grummitts gloves]

So a diamond midfield is bizarre? Riiiiigght.... ok

No it's not, but why suddenly conjur up a formation like that and expect to win the game? Diamond! Bollox!

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

We have one of the brightest and best young managers in the game - in his first season in the championship. By all financial criteria we should be mid-table and we are still in with a good chance of the play-offs. Gus will make mistakes, same as any manager. But if anyone thinks these are anything other than the happy years for the Albion needs their head examining.

We have exciting days ahead of us. Enjoy it people.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Absolute attention seeking drivel. Can't believe I read all 5 pages.

We came up from League 1 last year as champions, have had a reasonable budget for this season which was spent wisely. If we get lucky and make the play-offs then Gus has performed a miracle. If we finish anywhere between 8-12 then that's where I expected us to finish. Gus is laying the foundations for something spectacular in the next few seasons. Relax and enjoy the ride.

The problem with this board is people can be so myopic after one game and need to look at the bigger picture. Gus had suspensions for the Burnley game and maybe some other players weren't fit enough to start but were fit enough for the bench. So he may have decided not to risk them and save them for the Reading game. This is the first time Gus has been a manager at championship level, he is learning as he goes and we are knocking on the door of the play-offs. Imagine next season with a bigger budget, more players knowing about the rise of Brighton and Hove Albion and the brand of football that gets played here. This will ensure we attract a better quality of player to the club.

Should have read this. And posted. This.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

No it's not, but why suddenly conjur up a formation like that and expect to win the game? Diamond! Bollox!

He tinkered at millwall as well, result= 2 home points dropped.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

You keep going on about wage bills El Pres almost as if the league sould be deceided on who spends the most.

They typically are. A dose of realism is needed.

 

[Turkey]

No it's not, but why suddenly conjur up a formation like that and expect to win the game? Diamond! Bollox!

Suddenly conjur up? FFS we pretty much played that way for the entire of last season and the start of this, with the lopsided winger and Barnes dropping in. Vicente operating on the left and CMS dropping in yesterday. It's nothing new to our players and quite possibly connected to the return of Dicker to the side.

I accept it would be rediculous if people couldn't question those in power, but when you say "why", and this isnt just you grummit but countless others, don't you ever think the reason you say "why" is because you're not smart enough to understand? There's a reason why a football manager is paid good money and entrusted in that position. It's generally because they know what they are doing! Just because fans don't, doesn't mean its wrong!

 

[Turkey]

He tinkered at millwall as well, result= 2 home points dropped.

Yeah lets forget about all the points he's WON.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

This thread may have some merit if we weren't pushing for The Premiership having been League Two bound just 3 years ago.

What a ridiculously shit thread.

Just shaking my head at this.

Seriously Burnsey, you need to sit down and have a word with yourself.

Can you just state, for the record, exactly where you think this club has a right to be finishing this season ? I mean christ up a stick, I thought West Ham fans were presumptuous about their prospects this season in the Championship, but this takes the f***ing biscuit.

Do you know what? I've probably had the best time supporting the Albion this season in 35 years. Magnificent stadium, sitting with mates I used to go home and away with years ago, competing with Leeds, Forest ,Southampton, Derby, palace etc. I don't care if we never get out of this league. How the f*** anyone can find anything to moan about this year, I will never understand.

This is truly unbelievable. In terms of playing budget we are lower mid-table at best in this league, and we still have a chance of getting promoted. Staggering.

Shocking thread, If we had been offered to be where we are now at the begginging having beat Saints 3-0 at the Amex, Played Liverpool twice home and away, Beat Newcastle and Sunderland at the Amex. We have played some brilliant football at times and played a few teams off the park.

Yep Poyet is clueless.

Why? Because I cannot stand continental football? Nope, I don't like to watch defenders pass the ball about aimlessly until it gets given away by a stray pass brought about by boredom. No passion, no aggression, NOT ENGLISH by nature.

Absolute attention seeking drivel. Can't believe I read all 5 pages.

We came up from League 1 last year as champions, have had a reasonable budget for this season which was spent wisely. If we get lucky and make the play-offs then Gus has performed a miracle. If we finish anywhere between 8-12 then that's where I expected us to finish. Gus is laying the foundations for something spectacular in the next few seasons. Relax and enjoy the ride.

The problem with this board is people can be so myopic after one game and need to look at the bigger picture. Gus had suspensions for the Burnley game and maybe some other players weren't fit enough to start but were fit enough for the bench. So he may have decided not to risk them and save them for the Reading game. This is the first time Gus has been a manager at championship level, he is learning as he goes and we are knocking on the door of the play-offs. Imagine next season with a bigger budget, more players knowing about the rise of Brighton and Hove Albion and the brand of football that gets played here. This will ensure we attract a better quality of player to the club.

Common sense will prevail. The last quote especially, my hat off to you Sir.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Yeah lets forget about all the points he's WON.

Sometimes you do wonder whether some posters do not appreciate there is another team out there trying to win the match - it is so straight forward how we should win.

 

[grummitts gloves]

Suddenly conjur up? FFS we pretty much played that way for the entire of last season and the start of this, with the lopsided winger and Barnes dropping in. Vicente operating on the left and CMS dropping in yesterday. It's nothing new to our players and quite possibly connected to the return of Dicker to the side.

I accept it would be rediculous if people couldn't question those in power, but when you say "why", and this isnt just you grummit but countless others, don't you ever think the reason you say "why" is because you're not smart enough to understand? There's a reason why a football manager is paid good money and entrusted in that position. It's generally because they know what they are doing! Just because fans don't, doesn't mean its wrong!

No, I ask why because I see seriously fail to see the benefit of lining the team up like that yesterday and wait for someone to enlighten me. Nothing I've read in this thread so far has answered the question, only posters getting huffy because some dare to question the tactics for certain matches, not all matches. Some of my other posts on this thread show I'm not anti Gus or the the playing squad, far from it.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

No, I ask why because I see seriously fail to see the benefit of lining the team up like that yesterday and wait for someone to enlighten me. Nothing I've read in this thread so far has answered the question, only posters getting huffy because some dare to question the tactics for certain matches, not all matches. Some of my other posts on this thread show I'm not anti Gus or the the playing squad, far from it.

Go and ask Gus. And had we scored first half - we carved them open enough to warrant it - we would not be asking the question.

Gus is the manager - and had earned the right to try different things for reasons he does not need to explain in detail. We are in the play-off hunt in our first season back in the Championship. Have some faith.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sometimes you do wonder whether some posters do not appreciate there is another team out there trying to win the match - it is so straight forward how we should win.

Even experienced top managers lose games, I wonder what the Manure fans thought of losing 6-1 to Man City earlier this season? Where are those teams now?
What would these posters be doing if we were in a relegation battle? Most of them would have topped themselves by now.

 

[chinners]

i dont care what anyone says im still backing the team and gus we are playing at a high level and still going for a place in the play off for a place at the top level of england football we should b proud of the team and city and not moaning about trival issues yeas we lost yesterday to a terrible team but we move on to one of the hardest games of the season and its must win but this season has been a success and can only b a launch pad for bigger and brighter things

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Even experienced top managers lose games, I wonder what the Manure fans thought of losing 6-1 to Man City earlier this season? Where are those teams now?
What would these posters be doing if we were in a relegation battle? Most of them would have topped themselves by now.

Be careful what you wish for. I think some of the fat on NSC could do with trimming.

 

[Mr Burns]

No, I ask why because I see seriously fail to see the benefit of lining the team up like that yesterday and wait for someone to enlighten me. Nothing I've read in this thread so far has answered the question, only posters getting huffy because some dare to question the tactics for certain matches, not all matches. Some of my other posts on this thread show I'm not anti Gus or the the playing squad, far from it.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain as well. I'd love to know why you start with three out and out wingers on the bench.

Despite todays ramblings, I not completely anti-Gus, as my refernce to him as Lord Poyet over and over again suggests I do think someone of him. But there comes a time when I feel I'm entitled to question him, and after yesterday, now is the time.

He seems arrogant and stubborn for the sake of it.

No one as answered another key point, when Gus' himself says Gary Dicker understands the system better than anyone, and is the only one to truely understand what Gus wants. Surely that means he is sending people out on to the pitch without a full understanding of what they are meant to do?

Yes, No?

I'd suggest yes, in which case, why not play to the squads strengths. I've said it on this thread, he as assembled a great squad of players, but is not using them in the right way IMO, and recent performances and results would seemingly back this up.

I believe if Poyet played to the squads strengths, we'd be a good as in the play offs now. But all the time he sticks to a system the players by his own admission do not fully understand, then performances and results like the one at Burnley will continue, and his dream of a top premiership job, will go on being a dream. It's a great system if you have the players to play it. If he got dropped into the Chelsea or Totenham job, with the players he'll have it might work. But that's not just going to happen for him, and he's proved he is not able to adjust the tatics to suit the players, so I fear for Gus if he wants to move on to a top job.

At the start of the season I thought there was a real danger of Tottenham poaching Poyet if Redknapp went to England. Now I think there about as much chance as the Krankies making a comeback on prime time TV.

He has proved he cannot buy players, and adapt play around them. At the start of the season people were wetting themselves over us signing CMS, now the same poeple are writing CMS off, even though we haven't played to his strengths. You spend £3 million at a club like Brighton on a striker, you've got to give the bloke a chance, and that means building your side around him, something Poyet said he would do, but hasn't .

If CMS doesn't fit into Gus style of play, and he clearly doesn't, then why buy him? I'd love to know. If you are going to turn down close on £2 million for Noone, and then give him an imporved contract, why leave the bloke on the sidelines for the second half of the season. Are we rich enough to have a £2m 4th choice winger?

I'm sure Tony Bloom will be asking these questions as well. Hopefully something will happen to snap Gus out of this tunnel vision, and he will start to use HIS squad far better and to their strengths, because it not, I can see a lot of the players here losing faith in him (if some haven't already) and see if very hard for Tony Bloom to splash the money around like he did last season, if Gus keeps spending spending spending, but doesn't use the players the chairman shell out top cash for.

I know some agree with me to a point, but the rest instead of just slagging me off with pointless one line crap, answer the points above. Please I'd love to hear views that are not just, look where we are in the league, look where we were when Gus took over etc etc, because yes, its great we are doing very very well, but no where near as good as we could be doing with the squad he has built.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain as well. I'd love to know why you start with three out and out wingers on the bench.

Despite todays ramblings, I not completely anti-Gus, as my refernce to him as Lord Poyet over and over again suggests I do think someone of him. But there comes a time when I feel I'm entitled to question him, and after yesterday, now is the time.

He seems arrogant and stubborn for the sake of it.

No one as answered another key point, when Gus' himself says Gary Dicker understands the system better than anyone, and is the only one to truely understand what Gus wants. Surely that means he is sending people out on to the pitch without a full understanding of what they are meant to do?

Yes, No?

I'd suggest yes, in which case, why not play to the squads strengths. I've said it on this thread, he as assembled a great squad of players, but is not using them in the right way IMO, and recent performances and results would seemingly back this up.

I believe if Poyet played to the squads strengths, we'd be a good as in the play offs now. But all the time he sticks to a system the players by his own admission do not fully understand, then performances and results like the one at Burnley will continue, and his dream of a top premiership job, will go on being a dream. It's a great system if you have the players to play it. If he got dropped into the Chelsea or Totenham job, with the players he'll have it might work. But that's not just going to happen for him, and he's proved he is not able to adjust the tatics to suit the players, so I fear for Gus if he wants to move on to a top job.

At the start of the season I thought there was a real danger of Tottenham poaching Poyet if Redknapp went to England. Now I think there about as much chance as the Krankies making a comeback on prime time TV.

He has proved he cannot buy players, and adapt play around them. At the start of the season people were wetting themselves over us signing CMS, now the same poeple are writing CMS off, even though we haven't played to his strengths. You spend £3 million at a club like Brighton on a striker, you've got to give the bloke a chance, and that means building your side around him, something Poyet said he would do, but hasn't .

If CMS doesn't fit into Gus style of play, and he clearly doesn't, then why buy him? I'd love to know. If you are going to turn down close on £2 million for Noone, and then give him an imporved contract, why leave the bloke on the sidelines for the second half of the season. Are we rich enough to have a £2m 4th choice winger?

I'm sure Tony Bloom will be asking these questions as well. Hopefully something will happen to snap Gus out of this tunnel vision, and he will start to use HIS squad far better and to their strengths, because it not, I can see a lot of the players here losing faith in him (if some haven't already) and see if very hard for Tony Bloom to splash the money around like he did last season, if Gus keeps spending spending spending, but doesn't use the players the chairman shell out top cash for.

I know some agree with me to a point, but the rest instead of just slagging me off with pointless one line crap, answer the points above. Please I'd love to hear views that are not just, look where we are in the league, look where we were when Gus took over etc etc, because yes, its great we are doing very very well, but no where near as good as we could be doing with the squad he has built.

In full agreement with this