[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Thunder Bolt]

Here's an archive link to the story that has now been deleted from the Mail online:

Putin's link to Boris and Gove's Brexit 'coup' revealed

A Russian link between tycoon Christopher Chandler and Cabinet Ministers' successful plot to persuade Theresa May to take a tougher stance on Brexit has been uncovered.

web.archive.org

It wasn’t surprising the Salisbury poisoning happened whilst Theresa May was PM. It was a warning.

 

[aolstudios]

I’m not sure Trump actually wants to see Russia get bigger. He sees the countries as corporations, and wants the US to be the biggest. He’s seen a load of capital go out on this war, and sees an opportunity for:
A) a return
B) a legacy for his presidency

In his eyes Putin is a CEO who does what he wants - Trump wants to do what he wants. But I’m not sure he wants Russia Inc. challenging US Inc. in size. I think this is purely about what US Inc. can get out of this.

This assumes he doesn't absolutely belong to Putin.
In some way, whatever that is. I'm certain he does

 

[Papa Lazarou]

 

[nicko31]

Trump starting to row back on tariffs imposed on Mexico and Canada. He's achieved nothing but crucially he's destroyed relationships with key allies.

TWATS

 

[Bold Seagull]

This assumes he doesn't absolutely belong to Putin.
In some way, whatever that is. I'm certain he does

I’m preferring to assume he just likes the idea of unchallenged power and Putin’s disinformation, their desire to interfere for Western elections and politics has suited him. Whether there is some deeper seated control I dread to think. It’s certainly paid off for Putin if the US force a peace that ends the war with Russia having gained a load of territory and concessions of Ukraine’s future political direction.

 

[aolstudios]

I’m preferring to assume he just likes the idea of unchallenged power and Putin’s disinformation, their desire to interfere for Western elections and politics has suited him. Whether there is some deeper seated control I dread to think. It’s certainly paid off for Putin if the US force a peace that ends the war with Russia having gained a load of territory and concessions of Ukraine’s future political direction.

I don't see a single thing he says or does that doesn't strengthen Putin

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

All his money
safe in the bank
Donald Trump
Is having a wank.

That's it really, I think. All of it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Er, I haven't fallen for anything, Trig. I'm just being realistic.

You have Greg. You're trying to be realistic, but you're actually falling for propaganda and believing a lie. I will explain.

Putin invaded Ukraine for a specific reason and he's not about to back out in the name of 'peace' without getting what he originally went for.

Yes that's correct, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Putin won't change his mind out of the goodness of his black heart. But that's not the point. The point is that Russia is incapable of winning the war unless Ukraine are let down by its allies. Russia are not making progress on the battlefield. They can't even re-take their own territory in Kursk. They've lost most of their armour, they've lost most of their trained soldiers, and they get more by offering large salaries that they can't afford due to their failing economy. It's the latter that would cause Russia to lose this war. When their economy dies and they can no longer pay their soldiers to fight and die for nothing, their soldiers will stop.

The only amount of Ukraine that would keep Putin happy is all of it. Ukrainians have seen what happens when Russians take over their towns. People are tortured and executed, and the children are either killed or transferred to Russia. At what point do you think Ukrainian soldiers will say to themselves 'oh sod it, let Russia take over, torture me, execute me, rape my wife and take my children'? That's a serious question, and we know the answer is never. They'll fight to the end. And Russia cannot defeat millions of people who will fight to the end. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine's front line when Russia still had armour.

Russia's only hope of winning this war is if America helps them.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

They're the same.

Right now it looks really bad, but we'll probably learn a lot more in the next few months. I cannot believe that those in high positions in the military and secret service are going to sit idly by while Trump turns the US into a Russian state. Even those who have been removed from their positions will be looking at what can be done. They'll be watching Trumps actions closely.

You would expect that there would be a secure comms channel between the Five Eyes countries to be used if one of the countries elected a rogue government. I don't think anyone thought this would be the USA.

 

[Triggaaar]

You would expect that there would be a secure comms channel between the Five Eyes countries to be used if one of the countries elected a rogue government. I don't think anyone thought this would be the USA.

Interesting. I've no idea, but no doubt many people at the top of democracies are trying to work out what to do.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You have Greg. You're trying to be realistic, but you're actually falling for propaganda and believing a lie. I will explain.




Yes that's correct, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Putin won't change his mind out of the goodness of his black heart. But that's not the point. The point is that Russia is incapable of winning the war unless Ukraine are let down by its allies. Russia are not making progress on the battlefield. They can't even re-take their own territory in Kursk. They've lost most of their armour, they've lost most of their trained soldiers, and they get more by offering large salaries that they can't afford due to their failing economy. It's the latter that would cause Russia to lose this war. When their economy dies and they can no longer pay their soldiers to fight and die for nothing, their soldiers will stop.

The only amount of Ukraine that would keep Putin happy is all of it. Ukrainians have seen what happens when Russians take over their towns. People are tortured and executed, and the children are either killed or transferred to Russia. At what point do you think Ukrainian soldiers will say to themselves 'oh sod it, let Russia take over, torture me, execute me, rape my wife and take my children'? That's a serious question, and we know the answer is never. They'll fight to the end. And Russia cannot defeat millions of people who will fight to the end. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine's front line when Russia still had armour.

Russia's only hope of winning this war is if America helps them.

I couldn't 'like' this post because it is so awful to contemplate, but well played also seems inappropriate, but it was the best I could do with 'I agree with every word'.

There isn't a single poster on this board, if they found someone had invaded their home, raped their wife, tortured their parents and kidnapped their children, who wouldn't fight back. They would also ask their neighbours to help them.

I seriously doubt if anyone would sit there and allow the invading person to eat at their table too.

 

[bhafc99]

Trump starting to row back on tariffs imposed on Mexico and Canada. He's achieved nothing but crucially he's destroyed relationships with key allies.

TWATS

I saw a clip the other day, of a US car dealership owner being interviewed, and saying their customers were cancelling orders because the cost of a Dodge RAM had suddenly increased from $80k to $100k due to Trump’s tariffs crippling the manufacturing supply chain (parts from Mexico, Canada etc).

He was calm, informed, articulate and clear about why this was bad for America, so Fox News immediately cut back to the studio, where some deranged anchorperson started ranting about how it was all about getting those nasty people in “Europe and India” to start buying Dodge RAMs, and how tariffs were the best thing to ever happen to American manufacturing etc.

Zero awareness that the commercial and strategic pivot this would require from the likes of Dodge (manufacturing locations etc) would be years and years in its implementation. Businesses aren’t designed for this, at all, from their entire model to the smallest detail.

Zero awareness that Europeans and Indians don’t and won’t buy ginormous gas-guzzling behemoths of cars because they’re impractical for our cities and roads, expensive, don’t comply with local standards etc etc. The market doesn’t exist.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You have Greg. You're trying to be realistic, but you're actually falling for propaganda and believing a lie. I will explain.




Yes that's correct, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Putin won't change his mind out of the goodness of his black heart. But that's not the point. The point is that Russia is incapable of winning the war unless Ukraine are let down by its allies. Russia are not making progress on the battlefield. They can't even re-take their own territory in Kursk. They've lost most of their armour, they've lost most of their trained soldiers, and they get more by offering large salaries that they can't afford due to their failing economy. It's the latter that would cause Russia to lose this war. When their economy dies and they can no longer pay their soldiers to fight and die for nothing, their soldiers will stop.

The only amount of Ukraine that would keep Putin happy is all of it. Ukrainians have seen what happens when Russians take over their towns. People are tortured and executed, and the children are either killed or transferred to Russia. At what point do you think Ukrainian soldiers will say to themselves 'oh sod it, let Russia take over, torture me, execute me, rape my wife and take my children'? That's a serious question, and we know the answer is never. They'll fight to the end. And Russia cannot defeat millions of people who will fight to the end. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine's front line when Russia still had armour.

Russia's only hope of winning this war is if America helps them.

This is what I don't understand when the likes of @amexer appear to think that Trump is some shining knight in armour prepared to talk peace before anyone else thought of it.

The reality is, Trump's 'peace' is actually a propaganda term for accepting defeat and appeasement. It will give Russia what it wants, or part of what it wants and it will tell the victims to suck it up.

I'm not sure what version of peace I would think palatable to the Ukrainian people, but it isn't just giving Russia a great swathe of the country and hope they don't invade again in another 8 years time.

 

[Cordwainer]

I saw a clip the other day, of a US car dealership owner being interviewed, and saying their customers were cancelling orders because the cost of a Dodge RAM had suddenly increased from $80k to $100k due to Trump’s tariffs crippling the manufacturing supply chain (parts from Mexico, Canada etc).

He was calm, informed, articulate and clear about why this was bad for America, so Fox News immediately cut back to the studio, where some deranged anchorperson started ranting about how it was all about getting those nasty people in “Europe and India” to start buying Dodge RAMs, and how tariffs were the best thing to ever happen to American manufacturing etc.

Zero awareness that the commercial and strategic pivot this would require from the likes of Dodge (manufacturing locations etc) would be years and years in its implementation. Businesses aren’t designed for this, at all, from their entire model to the smallest detail.

Zero awareness that Europeans and Indians don’t and won’t buy ginormous gas-guzzling behemoths of cars because they’re impractical for our cities and roads, expensive, don’t comply with local standards etc etc. The market doesn’t exist.

Spot on..saw the same and thought the same. Also zero awareness that there are not dozens of state of the art car factories in the US just ready to start producing vehicles completely in house again.

 

[aolstudios]

You have Greg. You're trying to be realistic, but you're actually falling for propaganda and believing a lie. I will explain.




Yes that's correct, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Putin won't change his mind out of the goodness of his black heart. But that's not the point. The point is that Russia is incapable of winning the war unless Ukraine are let down by its allies. Russia are not making progress on the battlefield. They can't even re-take their own territory in Kursk. They've lost most of their armour, they've lost most of their trained soldiers, and they get more by offering large salaries that they can't afford due to their failing economy. It's the latter that would cause Russia to lose this war. When their economy dies and they can no longer pay their soldiers to fight and die for nothing, their soldiers will stop.

The only amount of Ukraine that would keep Putin happy is all of it. Ukrainians have seen what happens when Russians take over their towns. People are tortured and executed, and the children are either killed or transferred to Russia. At what point do you think Ukrainian soldiers will say to themselves 'oh sod it, let Russia take over, torture me, execute me, rape my wife and take my children'? That's a serious question, and we know the answer is never. They'll fight to the end. And Russia cannot defeat millions of people who will fight to the end. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine's front line when Russia still had armour.

Russia's only hope of winning this war is if America helps them.

All of this ^

 

[Bold Seagull]

Spot on..saw the same and thought the same. Also zero awareness that there are not dozens of state of the art car factories in the US just ready to start producing vehicles completely in house again.

Don't worry, he's flip flopping on tarrifs because he 'wants to' and he 'doesn't look at the markets'. The great economic strategist at work.

 

[Triggaaar]

I’m not sure Trump actually wants to see Russia get bigger. He sees the countries as corporations, and wants the US to be the biggest. He’s seen a load of capital go out on this war, and sees an opportunity for:
A) a return
B) a legacy for his presidency

In his eyes Putin is a CEO who does what he wants - Trump wants to do what he wants. But I’m not sure he wants Russia Inc. challenging US Inc. in size. I think this is purely about what US Inc. can get out of this.

I don't see how the US can benefit from helping their enemy Russia. Trump could benefit privately through corruption, and I'd guess the post above yours is closer to the truth. Instead the US could help Ukraine win, and profit greatly from their resources.

 

[Cordwainer]

In all of the mandarin madman’s recent drivel, if you replace the word peace with the word p1ss (and perhaps with his limited vocabulary and comprehension its what he meant all along), suddenly it all makes a lot more sense.

 

[Cordwainer]

Don't worry, he's flip flopping on tarrifs because he 'wants to' and he 'doesn't look at the markets'. The great economic strategist at work.

Not forgetting the globalists.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't see how the US can benefit from helping their enemy Russia. Trump could benefit privately through corruption, and I'd guess the post above yours is closer to the truth. Instead the US could help Ukraine win, and profit greatly from their resources.

I don't think he wants Putin defeated. It suits isolationists to have other isolationists in power. He wants to benefit from Ukraine absolutely, but no interest in crushing Putin.

From Farage, AFD, Le Pen, Trump, Putin - they have more in common in a shared idealism than they do divides them. They all attend the same conferences, all support each other.