[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[WATFORD zero]

I was told by specialist sometime ago I have something called Essential Tremor which means I hit wrong key sometimes. Sorry am not perfect

Apologies for my earlier post.

 

[beorhthelm]

Spot on..saw the same and thought the same. Also zero awareness that there are not dozens of state of the art car factories in the US just ready to start producing vehicles completely in house again.

this is the bizarre part of the plan, if there were one. should at least have a period of investment and building before doing the tariffs, so they do what is intended. not tariffs first, take all the economic hit and wait a couple of years for production capacity to arrive. it's almost as if he doesn't have a clue what he's doing or why. a theory on motivation is he's getting things done fast because last time round he was blocked and delayed by departments, states, reality etc., and the new approach is ignore all the opposition because they are only opposed to him. it's a massive ego-centric duck you to the world.

 

[Cordwainer]

this is the bizarre part of the plan, if there were one. should at least have a period of investment and building before doing the tariffs, so they do what is intended. not tariffs first, take all the economic hit and wait a couple of years for production capacity to arrive. it's almost as if he doesn't have a clue what he's doing or why. a theory on motivation is he's getting things done fast because last time round he was blocked and delayed by departments, states, reality etc., and the new approach is ignore all the opposition because they are only opposed to him. it's a massive ego-centric duck you to the world.

As far as I can tell, there is no plan for issues such as this..just spouting a load of populist nonsense and meaningless catch phrases. Isn’t his big thing about tariffs hoping that a) it will bring in loads of wonga and b) will ‘force’ companies to be based in the US? Irrelevant of course of the infrastructure/staff/capital existing to enable this to actually happen.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

You have Greg. You're trying to be realistic, but you're actually falling for propaganda and believing a lie. I will explain.




Yes that's correct, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Putin won't change his mind out of the goodness of his black heart. But that's not the point. The point is that Russia is incapable of winning the war unless Ukraine are let down by its allies. Russia are not making progress on the battlefield. They can't even re-take their own territory in Kursk. They've lost most of their armour, they've lost most of their trained soldiers, and they get more by offering large salaries that they can't afford due to their failing economy. It's the latter that would cause Russia to lose this war. When their economy dies and they can no longer pay their soldiers to fight and die for nothing, their soldiers will stop.

The only amount of Ukraine that would keep Putin happy is all of it. Ukrainians have seen what happens when Russians take over their towns. People are tortured and executed, and the children are either killed or transferred to Russia. At what point do you think Ukrainian soldiers will say to themselves 'oh sod it, let Russia take over, torture me, execute me, rape my wife and take my children'? That's a serious question, and we know the answer is never. They'll fight to the end. And Russia cannot defeat millions of people who will fight to the end. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine's front line when Russia still had armour.

Russia's only hope of winning this war is if America helps them.

As I've said on here before, I could genuinely see that happening.

I get what you're saying about Ukrainian resistance and the state of the Russian forces, but I'm not 'falling for propaganda'. I'm suggesting a way that it will play out and why Putin doesn't really want peace and nor – do I genuinely believe – does Trump. He's after the valuable rare earth materials and helping out his mate Vlad with bits of Ukraine.

If, however it happens, there is 'peace' and parts of Ukraine become Russian, do you genuinely believe he won't have another go somewhere down the line? Or try it on in another country? Because I don't. Again, that's nothing to do with propaganda – I'm not exactly well-versed or well read in the intricate goings-on over there, I'm just thinking about it from that nutjob's point of view.

 

[Bold Seagull]

As far as I can tell, there is no plan for issues such as this..just spouting a load of populist nonsense and meaningless catch phrases. Isn’t his big thing about tariffs hoping that a) it will bring in loads of wonga and b) will ‘force’ companies to be based in the US? Irrelevant of course of the infrastructure/staff/capital existing to enable this to actually happen.

Indeed, like confusing transgenics with transgender.

 

[Cordwainer]

Indeed, like confusing transgenics with transgender.

And asylum gate!

 

[Dorset Seagull]

I suspect the on off with tariffs is all about trashing stocks, buying them cheap and then raising them again.

Also I think the pace at which he has moved over to the other side is that Russia is in real trouble with the war so they have activated their agent.

I suspect his missus has been a Russian asset all along and will deliver the polonium laced tea when the time is right.

 

[BBassic]

He's blinked first. The great big pillock. Shrunk back at the first sign of resistance, exactly like the bully he is.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I suspect the on off with tariffs is all about trashing stocks, buying them cheap and then raising them again.

Also I think the pace at which he has moved over to the other side is that Russia is in real trouble with the war so they have activated their agent.

I suspect his missus has been a Russian asset all along and will deliver the polonium laced tea when the time is right.

Disaster capitalism. Remember Farage's face the night of the Brexit result?

 

[The Clamp]

They really are a bunch of spineless motherfuckers aren’t they.

Elon Musk tells Republicans he isn’t to blame for mass firings of federal workers​

Elon Musk tells Republicans he isn’t to blame for mass firings of federal workers

Trump and Musk appear to make parallel efforts to distance tech billionaire from radical job slashing in government

www.theguardian.com

 

[MTSeagulls]

I was told by specialist sometime ago I have something called Essential Tremor which means I hit wrong key sometimes. Sorry am not perfect

I have had that for quite a few years bit it dowsn't effect my keyboard tuping at all.
Seriously though when I go to sip a drink sometimes my hand shakes more violently the nearer it gets to my mouth which can be very embarrassing as occasionally someone needs to take it from me before the whole lot spills as I am unable to put it down at that point.
Normally only happens on the first sip of a drink for some reason.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I suspect the on off with tariffs is all about trashing stocks, buying them cheap and then raising them again.

Also I think the pace at which he has moved over to the other side is that Russia is in real trouble with the war so they have activated their agent.

I suspect his missus has been a Russian asset all along and will deliver the polonium laced tea when the time is right.

Very unlikely to be the case.







(Polonium laced full fat coke, I'd expect)

 

[beorhthelm]

As far as I can tell, there is no plan for issues such as this..just spouting a load of populist nonsense and meaningless catch phrases. Isn’t his big thing about tariffs hoping that a) it will bring in loads of wonga and b) will ‘force’ companies to be based in the US? Irrelevant of course of the infrastructure/staff/capital existing to enable this to actually happen.

that's exactly the plan. except the two are mutually exclusive, as production moves back, there's less imported to raise tariff revenue. it might be possible to do some of both with targeted tariffs. but as you say, relies on considerable increase in investment, capital and higher costs.

that's why US stock market weak, they understand there's no free lunch here, companies will be earning less, and inflation is likely so rates will be rising soon.

 

[bhafc99]

Trump and Musk are approaching running both the economy and governmental/public sector infrastructure with all the sophistication of a couple of five year olds on a sugar rush.

 

[Cordwainer]

Trump and Musk are approaching running both the economy and governmental/public sector infrastructure with all the sophistication of a couple of five year olds on a sugar rush.

Plus their excellent sledgehammer ‘diplomacy’. Gotta hope the grown ups turn up soon.

 

[Stato]

I'm reading Kliph Nesteroff's excellent book 'Outrageous' which shows that the current culture wars in America are not at all unprecedented, but follow a long established pattern of different interest groups fighting for control over media, the arts and communication. I've just read the chapter on the PMRC and the record burnings of the 1980s. Some of it's funny because of the extremity: one church in Iowa was destroying records by such dangerous subversive antitheists as The Carpenters, Perry Como, Neil Sedaka, John Denver and Charlie Rich. However, those of you who lived through it may remember the leading role that Frank Zappa played in pushing back against this infringement on freedom of speech and a quote from him from 40 years ago seems scarily prescient;

"There's a strong possibility that this country is moving in the direction of a fascist theocracy....Now maybe you feel it is far fetched that if the extreme elements of the fundamentalist right have political power, that it would come to that. Just remember that they were bombing abortion clinics a little while ago."

All of the current players or their descendants are discussed as those trying to shift things towards their own, extremely narrow, viewpoint of how everyone should live: The John Birchers, the Heritage Foundation, the TV Evangelists, the KKK, the Koch Brothers and their father, etc. The people who were the extreme voices laughed at by most of mainstream America are now picking the Supreme Court, electing presidents, remaking government in their own image and forming laws. It's absolutely terrifying that this has happened to democracy with such little push back from the always scared of being unfunded/unpopular Democratic party. There is not a majority that wants their social change, but this fact has taken a back seat to short term arguments about the economy. If mainstream economists are correct and the project fails, you'll probably see the electorate swing again. However, the question seems to be, what will be left of the institutions, the trammels on power etc. after these lunatics have torn up everything except Jesus and the power of the dollar?

 

[BBassic]

They really are a bunch of spineless motherfuckers aren’t they.

Elon Musk tells Republicans he isn’t to blame for mass firings of federal workers​

Elon Musk tells Republicans he isn’t to blame for mass firings of federal workers

Trump and Musk appear to make parallel efforts to distance tech billionaire from radical job slashing in government

www.theguardian.com

The man consistently boasting on X about fraud and abuse and how much money his deparment is saving and turning up on stage with a chainsaw...is now saying it's not his fault?

He's just a f***ing loser. There's no other way to say it. He's a loser. An absolute husk of a person. It baffles me that anyone looks up to him.

I think I need a break from the news.

 

[Triggaaar]

If, however it happens, there is 'peace' and parts of Ukraine become Russian, do you genuinely believe he won't have another go somewhere down the line? Or try it on in another country? Because I don't.

I absolutely agree that he'd come back for more and attack other countries too if he can. The only thing that will stop him is force, which is why we must help provide that force.

 

[The Clamp]

If Ukraine is forced to surrender, Poland could very well be next and that’s it.. World War 3.

Russia need to be subject to a MASSIVE, collective show of force from Europe. As in existential, we will end you, level of force.

 

[Javeaseagull]

If Ukraine is forced to surrender, Poland could very well be next and that’s it.. World War 3.

Russia need to be subject to a MASSIVE, collective show of force from Europe. As in existential, we will end you, level of force.

I wonder though. Poland is in NATO and I’m fairly sure that Ukraine not being in NATO could have been a contributing factor. Didn’t Putin bang on about not wanting Ukraine to join NATO?

Agree with the rest of your post.