Caroline Lucas (bleedin heart lefty)

[Seagull73]

If I robbed a bank I would be putting my life on the line.

Putting your life on the line does not make your actions automatically honorable.

Well let's hope you never end up in a situation where somebody in that position could save your life be putting theirs on the line. Which, by the way, most serving police would do without question.

It's fine not to have a very high opinion of the police, quite a lot of people don't, but questioning their integrity in a potential life or death situation is going way below the belt and makes you sound nothing better than an anarchist.

And frankly, a dick.

 

[The Truth]

FFS - please !

Here are the questions for you without reference to Falmer !

1)You haven't explained WHY you think it's a joke ? £24k is a very average pension and open to anyone who decides to join the police force.

2) Personally I don't have a problem with a pension of that level going to people who do a difficult and demanding job. Indeed, most people who criticise it have probably never put their lives on the line for their job - such as you I suspect but you avoided that part of the question as well.

3)Please point me to any of my posts that mention "benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan" being the root cause of our current economic issues ?

1) I've answered it 2 times already for you, not again

2)beating up students and protestors and attending football matches in masses is hardly putting the life on the line is it?

3) I can't point out on this thread where you have made these claims but going by your general ignorance to better knowledge (everything dingodan has posted on this thread) you clearly are more interested in the petty little things like wether i'm Falmer or not. I'm just guessing you'd agree with what you're told by our media without even thinking for yourself. Your first post to me was to do with your age! that says it all really about your intelligence. knowing Murdoch is soon up for trial in court tells me the amount of bullshit we as people have been under the influence of, and sadly i feel you are one of the gullible ones who goes about calling anyone who has woken up to the government scams as a 'nutjob'. Thats why I assumed you would be blaming benefit claimants and other nations for this so called credit crunch. Sorry if i guessed wrong.

Do me a favour and learn a bit about the monetary system, and then come back to me with why you condone police beating protesters on a day where we're supposed to celebrate this lovely country.

 

[dingodan]

Yes, the Police and Government require you to obey the law, which the police enforce on the citizens. No point arguing as it seems your anti-police anyway, without the police - it would be out of control in places (IE - The riots last year, worst places were in areas which had low police numbers, but there was no rioting, when there were thousands of extra officers).



Well at times putting your safety and even possibly your life on the line for people is honourable, why i respect our emergency services.

Yes but you implied that putting your life on the line, and that alone, meant that what you were doing must be a good thing.

And please don't tell me that I am anti-police, because I am not, at all. I am pro-police, but never at the expense of the Law.

The "police and government" do not "require you" to obey the Law, they are required to uphold the Law.

The police do not "enforce" the law. The Law cannot be "enforced", the police uphold the Law. The police "enforce" statutes but that is a whole separate discussion.

 

[dingodan]

Well let's hope you never end up in a situation where somebody in that position could save your life be putting theirs on the line. Which, by the way, most serving police would do without question.

It's fine not to have a very high opinion of the police, quite a lot of people don't, but questioning their integrity in a potential life or death situation is going way below the belt and makes you sound nothing better than an anarchist.

And frankly, a dick.

Thanks for labeling me an anarchist (and a dick).

I did not say that someone risking their life is not doing something honorable. I said that they are not automatically, by virtue of the fact that their life is in danger, doing something honorable. There is a difference.

It looked to me like those protesters were risking their lives too, according to your logic they are equatable with the police.

I have a high opinion of the police. I don't have a very high opinion of some of the things that they do, but again there is a difference.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

1) I've answered it 2 times already for you, not again

2)beating up students and protestors and attending football matches in masses is hardly putting the life on the line is it?

3) I can't point out on this thread where you have made these claims but going by your general ignorance to better knowledge (everything dingodan has posted on this thread) you clearly are more interested in the petty little things like wether i'm Falmer or not. I'm just guessing you'd agree with what you're told by our media without even thinking for yourself. Your first post to me was to do with your age! that says it all really about your intelligence. knowing Murdoch is soon up for trial in court tells me the amount of bullshit we as people have been under the influence of, and sadly i feel you are one of the gullible ones who goes about calling anyone who has woken up to the government scams as a 'nutjob'. Thats why I assumed you would be blaming benefit claimants and other nations for this so called credit crunch. Sorry if i guessed wrong.

Do me a favour and learn a bit about the monetary system, and then come back to me with why you condone police beating protesters on a day where we're supposed to celebrate this lovely country.

Good grief ! Your arguments make no sense, shoot off at tangents and you provide no substance to said arguments. You've made completely incorrect assumptions / guesses and you wonder why I think YOU'RE a 6th Form Student ( I didn't make any post about MY age contrary to your post above ). What has the monetary system got to do with these "protests" ?

Maybe I'm the one living on a different planet but your posts appear to be confused, contradictory, idiotic, lack any thought process, completely devoid of any reality, illogical, childish, immature and frankly stupid.

 

[The Truth]

What has the monetary system got to do with these "protests" ?

You really are more stupid than I first thought.
Sorry pal but I actually can't respond to such stupidity. Please don't ask me this same question over and over again either. Little tip for you, find out why people are protesting around the world right now.

 

[dingodan]

Only for your self greed.

Right. So context is important. Its not good enough just to say "he/she put his/her life on the line". Which is the point I was making.

It did not look like those protestors were beat with batons and charged with horses in order to protect anyone. The police officers did not look particularly vulnerable, they had helmets and weapons, unlike those they were attacking.

What you are arguing is that because beating up unarmed protestors is a health risk (more so for the protester if you ask me), I am somehow required to be grateful, - and to challenge those actions is to disrespect those who might risk their life to save me in an emergency?

Weak.

 

[fruitnveg]

3) I can't point out where you said these things, because you didn't. However ,this obviously means you did because I am incapable of sensible debate. My accusations are based off guesswork and are therefore correct, because I said so. My hair is a bird, your argument is invalid.

Fixed for brevity and accuracy.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Right. So context is important. Its not good enough just to say "he/she put his/her life on the line". Which is the point I was making.

It did not look like those protestors were beat with batons and charged with horses in order to protect anyone. The police officers did not look particularly vulnerable, they had helmets and weapons, unlike those they were attacking.

What you are arguing is that because beating up unarmed protestors is a health risk (more so for the protester if you ask me), I am somehow required to be grateful, - and to challenge those actions is to disrespect those who might risk their life to save me in an emergency?

Weak.

Was most likely to get them and the EDL (was it the EDL ?) away from each other, as it would all kick off if they got at each other. They refused to budge, police used force to move them - there is possibly more to it (IE police may of given out orders before the video started or the protesters may of been giving a lot of abuse to the police), we dont know and we probably wont ever know.

If your going to protest, do it peacefully (plenty of them happen in London on a regular basis and there is rarely any trouble) but then it is always the "extreme" groups which cause the trouble, therefore the police are in high numbers and take no risks.

 

[The Truth]

Fixed for brevity and accuracy so that someone one day will hopefully think I'm funny (fingers crossed)

Do you do this a lot?

 

[dingodan]

Was most likely to get them and the EDL (was it the EDL ?) away from each other, as it would all kick off if they got at each other. They refused to budge, police used force to move them - there is possibly more to it (IE police may of given out orders before the video started or the protesters may of been giving a lot of abuse to the police), we dont know and we probably wont ever know.

If your going to protest, do it peacefully (plenty of them happen in London on a regular basis and there is rarely any trouble) but then it is always the "extreme" groups which cause the trouble, therefore the police are in high numbers and take no risks.

I have not seen evidence that they were not protesting peacefully. Refusing to move is not a violent action. It is civil disobedience and should not be responded to violently. You talk of wanting to mitigate violence, and I agree. But for some reason your solution is police violence.

Could you tell me what it is that makes a group qualify for the "extreme" label in your opinion? I am not suggesting that no group could ever be considered extreme, but I am genuinely interested in what you think that means.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You really are more stupid than I first thought.
Sorry pal but I actually can't respond to such stupidity. Please don't ask me this same question over and over again either. Little tip for you, find out why people are protesting around the world right now.

You really are a complete f*** wit ! I suggest you do EXACTLY what you've suggested I do.

One side - repugnant right wing racists / fascists marching in "defence" of "England".

Other side - bunch of left wing thugs intent on disrupting the march of the other group using any means possible including violence, public disorder and threatening behaviour.

NOTHING to to do with the monetary system and EVERYTHING to do with political dogma. We're discussing the protest in Brighton during the weekend just past - NOT some worldwide protest but your reading skills obviously missed that.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

just gets better, the unwashed getting backed to the hilt by lucas, these scummy anarchists haven't got a days work in them, DADDY PROBABLY HAS A TRUST FUND SET UP FOR THEM, you know the sorts ,whites with dreadlocks

 

[Seagull73]

Thanks for labeling me an anarchist (and a dick).

I did not say that someone risking their life is not doing something honorable. I said that they are not automatically, by virtue of the fact that their life is in danger, doing something honorable. There is a difference.

It looked to me like those protesters were risking their lives too, according to your logic they are equatable with the police.

I have a high opinion of the police. I don't have a very high opinion of some of the things that they do, but again there is a difference.

So, to cut one of your phrases, risking your life in the call of duty is wildly different to risking your life on something you believe in (and those protestors were not risking their lives!!!).

And I didn't label you an anarchist, I said you sounded like one. There is a difference.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You really are a complete f*** wit ! I suggest you do EXACTLY what you've suggested I do.

One side - repugnant right wing racists / fascists marching in "defence" of "England".

Other side - bunch of left wing thugs intent on disrupting the march of the other group using any means possible including violence, public disorder and threatening behaviour.

NOTHING to to do with the monetary system and EVERYTHING to do with political dogma. We're discussing the protest in Brighton during the weekend just past - NOT some worldwide protest but your reading skills obviously missed that.

the only thing british we can depend on in this country is the weather OFF TO THE TOWER WITH YOU

 

[wellquickwoody]

And the OP's point is what, exactly? That the MP for Brighton is wrong to criticise such police tactics as 'heavy-handed'? They are clearly heavy-handed, whatever side of the fence you are on.

If you're going to have a pop at Caroline Lucas, surely you can do better than that?

Oi, dimwit! Read whole thread if you can.

What I question is her motives for her criticism.

 

[The Truth]

You really are a complete f*** wit ! I suggest you do EXACTLY what you've suggested I do.

One side - repugnant right wing racists / fascists marching in "defence" of "England".

Other side - bunch of left wing thugs intent on disrupting the march of the other group using any means possible including violence, public disorder and threatening behaviour.

NOTHING to to do with the monetary system and EVERYTHING to do with political dogma. We're discussing the protest in Brighton during the weekend just past - NOT some worldwide protest but your reading skills obviously missed that.

do you have any idea what the violent extreme left wing thugs are so annoyed about?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

do you have any idea what the violent extreme left wing thugs are so annoyed about?

they don't like people celebrating st georges day, scum for that alone

 

[perseus]

From what I saw they were very heavy handed.

Ban the British (=English) Grand Prix. Sanctions against the Fascists and their collaborators. No importing French Beans, Cornish Pasties, Fray Bentos Corned Beef, Welsh Rarebit, and anything foreign sounding. UDI for Sussex (Crawley is a frontier town). Demand reparation from Wessex and Kent for past atrocities.

 

[dingodan]

So, to cut one of your phrases, risking your life in the call of duty is wildly different to risking your life on something you believe in (and those protestors were not risking their lives!!!).

And I didn't label you an anarchist, I said you sounded like one. There is a difference.

Exactly MY point.

Risking your life in the call of duty is wildly different to risking your life on something you believe in.

& Risking your life dragging a child from a burning building is wildly different from risking your life beating up a protester.

It's you guys who were not distinguishing, that was the point I was making.

And saying I sound like an anarchist is not wildly different from calling me one buddy.