Caroline Lucas (bleedin heart lefty)

[Crispy Ambulance]

Anyway, back OT. Does she drink from the furry cup or what?

 

[The Truth]

Issues? What issues? You said I didn't understand the quote so I have asked for you to say where I'm going wrong. I think that's a fair debating point, don't you?

As an aside, I can't help but think you're 'Falmer' in another guise. Irrelevant Youtube videos, refusal to answer questions, the abuse is about people having "issues". Hmmm....

And I can't help but think you need to go out more! I don't think you understand that the more police brutality the less chance of a peaceful protest. now can I ask you a question? Why do I have to answer you're questions? Is it because this is your only form of socialising? If so i completly understand. I am sorry for not responding to a question but I feel you are only on here to name call and be-little. Your ethical views are different to mine so i therefore choose not to bother with you in a peaceful way.

ps refusal to answer questions? is that a NSC law?

 

[dingodan]

I have absolutely no issue with what the police did there. The so called protesters were preventing a pre-agreed march / protest ( even if I detest what the march was for ), that had been agreed with the police and the authorities. The police even appealed to the "counter-demonstrators" to meet with them before hand so both "protests" could be accomodated. Unsurprisingly the "counter-demonstrators" refused to co-operate. You decide on that course of action then you get everything you deserve - in this case a small prod from a police baton or a push from a police horse. No doubt we'll see some of the faces from that video at the Smash EDO farce in June.

EDIT - just to add, Lucas should have had better judgement than to be anything but impartial. Then again we're talking about the Greens here who have a councillor in Ben Duncan who supports the violent thugs that are Smash EDO.

You had might as well stop using the word "violent" to qualify your "thugs".

If violence is the measure, again, you only have to look with your eyes at the way the protest was handled. You can use the words "prod from a police baton" rather than "beating from a police baton" and you can use the words "push from a horse" rather than "charged by a horse" if you want.

But what I saw was a group of people in fluorescent yellow violently attack another group of people, who had not attacked the first group. That is violence, and because it was not defensive, it was an act of aggression.

You can defend the actions of the police if you want, but don't kid yourself for one second that what you are defending is the rule of law.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

And I can't help but think you need to go out more!

ps refusal to answer questions? is that a NSC law?

It's kind of how debating works. Why not try it sometime, you'll thank me in the long run.

 

[dingodan]

Police are Authority, you follow Authority and do what they say.

Second bit was just a thought, only reason i can think of - unless they were using as much force as they could - probably that.

Authority is supposed to come from knowing and understanding something. Hence a person can be "an authority" in a subject.

The term comes from the words "Author" & "Writ". The implication being that those enforcing the law have knowledge and understanding of the law.

If you think a person is required by law to obey commands given by police officers, whatever those commands may be, then you have a serious lack of understanding of the law.

 

[The Truth]

It's kind of how debating works. Why not try it sometime, you'll thank me in the long run.

But when a question is patronisingly stupid, the best thing to do is ignore. But thanks, the long run helped x

 

[Westdene Seagull]

or at least explain a valid argument as to why you're posting irrelevant videos and why you think police pensions are wrong ?

A
ps refusal to answer questions? is that a NSC law?

Pot, kettle and black.

 

[dingodan]

[MENTION=23454]HawkTheSeagull[/MENTION]

You may want to consider the difference between the following:

De jure: "according to law"

De jure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

De facto: "in practice but not necessarily ordained by law"

De facto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The way its supposed work:

The Police require citizens to obey the Law.

The way you (and sadly many others) believe its supposed to work:

The Law requires citizens to obey the Police.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

But when a question is patronisingly stupid, the best thing to do is ignore. But thanks, the long run helped x

I rest my case. Welcome back Falmer. How's your imaginary Spanish flatmate doing?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I rest my case. Welcome back Falmer. How's your imaginary Spanish flatmate doing?

I have to say I think you're right that it's Falmer. The drugs have screwed with his brain.

 

[The Truth]

And so a police officer gets a £24k pension ? What exactly is wrong with that ?.

I have already answered this question westdene but for some annoying reason, you're still posting that I haven't answered it.
when you can retire from the police service by your 50's a 24k a year pension is a joke! especially when people like yourself go blaming benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan for our decline in finance.
Happy now or would you like me to answer more cynical questions?

 

[The Truth]

I rest my case. Welcome back Falmer. How's your imaginary Spanish flatmate doing?

What case do you rest? that you spend way to much time on the internet? Why don't you go outside and see if you can recognise humans as well as NSC users. Far more fun and healthy way of life. But if it's not for you then I suppose you and westdene can enjoy todays fine day by binfesting crap like 'he's Falmer!, no he's complete badger, no he's he's he's........

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I have already answered this question westdene but for some annoying reason, you're still posting that I haven't answered it.
when you can retire from the police service by your 50's a 24k a year pension is a joke! especially when people like yourself go blaming benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan for our decline in finance.
Happy now or would you like me to answer more cynical questions?

You haven't explained WHY you think it's a joke ? £24k is a very average pension and open to anyone who decides to join the police force. YOU could have joined and benefited. Personally I don't have a problem with a pension of that level going to people who do a difficult and demanding job. Indeed, most people who criticise it have probably never put their lives on the line for their job - such as you I suspect but you avoided that part of the question as well.

Please point me to any of my posts that mention "benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan" being the root cause of our current economic issues ?

As usual Falmer you're shooting off at many tangents completely away from the subject matter. Maybe another self imposed ban is necessary to prevent me and PNFE "bullying" you.

EDIT - and sending me crackpot YouTube videos by PM won't help your case !

 

[The Truth]

You haven't explained WHY you think it's a joke ? £24k is a very average pension and open to anyone who decides to join the police force. YOU could have joined and benefited. Personally I don;t have a problem with a pension of that level going to people who do a difficult and demanding job. Indeed, most people who criticise it have probably never put their lives on the line for their job - such as you I suspect but you avoided that part of the question as well.

Please point me to any of my posts that mention "benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan" being the root cause of our current economic issues ?

As usual Falmer you're shooting off at many tangents completely away from the subject matter. Maybe another self imposed ban is necessary to prevent me and PNFE "bullying" you.

I'm not Falmer. I wont answer any childish questions if you are not decent enough to even call me by what you should. Get over Falmer, he obviously had a big impact on you but try to move on like the world does.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I'm not Falmer. I wont answer any childish questions if you are not decent enough to even call me by what you should. Get over Falmer, he obviously had a big impact on you but try to move on like the world does.

OK - answer the questions then "The Truth".

 

[dingodan]

You haven't explained WHY you think it's a joke ? £24k is a very average pension and open to anyone who decides to join the police force. YOU could have joined and benefited. Personally I don;t have a problem with a pension of that level going to people who do a difficult and demanding job. Indeed, most people who criticise it have probably never put their lives on the line for their job - such as you I suspect but you avoided that part of the question as well.

Please point me to any of my posts that mention "benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan" being the root cause of our current economic issues ?

As usual Falmer you're shooting off at many tangents completely away from the subject matter. Maybe another self imposed ban is necessary to prevent me and PNFE "bullying" you.

If I robbed a bank I would be putting my life on the line.

Putting your life on the line does not make your actions automatically honorable.

 

[The Truth]

OK - answer the questions then "The Truth".

please!

ps your questions were for Falmer not me. You are confusing.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

[MENTION=23454]HawkTheSeagull[/MENTION]
The way its supposed work:

The Police require citizens to obey the Law.

The way you (and sadly many others) believe its supposed to work:

The Law requires citizens to obey the Police.

Yes, the Police and Government require you to obey the law, which the police enforce on the citizens. No point arguing as it seems your anti-police anyway, without the police - it would be out of control in places (IE - The riots last year, worst places were in areas which had low police numbers, but there was no rioting, when there were thousands of extra officers).

If I robbed a bank I would be putting my life on the line.

Putting your life on the line does not make your actions automatically honorable.

Well at times putting your safety and even possibly your life on the line for people is honourable, why i respect our emergency services.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

please!

ps your questions were for Falmer not me. You are confusing.

FFS - please !

Here are the questions for you without reference to Falmer !

You haven't explained WHY you think it's a joke ? £24k is a very average pension and open to anyone who decides to join the police force. YOU could have joined and benefited. Personally I don't have a problem with a pension of that level going to people who do a difficult and demanding job. Indeed, most people who criticise it have probably never put their lives on the line for their job - such as you I suspect but you avoided that part of the question as well.

Please point me to any of my posts that mention "benefit scroungers and nations like Greece and their retirement plan" being the root cause of our current economic issues ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If I robbed a bank I would be putting my life on the line.

Only for your self greed.