Afghanistan,whats the point ?

[dingodan]

Pakistan?...It was the SIS from Pakistan that encouraged and armed the Taliban, and they have to live with the Taliban on their doorstep, after the western nations leave, and the Taliban win the civil war that will ensue.

You mean the ISI from Pakistan. (Who were in fact a creation of the CIA.)

It was primarily the CIA who funded the Taliban during the Cold War.

"It seemed like a great idea, back in the ’80s to– embolden– and train and equip– Taliban, mujahidin, jihadists against the Soviet Union, which had invaded Afghanistan. And with our help, and with the Pakistani support– this group– including, at that time, Bin Laden, defeated the Soviet Union."
- Hillary Clinton, 2009.

 

[daveinprague]

you really really didnt , and try not to get personal , calling me names , its not very clever , and not very brave from behind a keyboard either.

'to fight what fools like you would still persist as classing as their "fellow countrymen'

sounded a little bit personal to me there Bushy :-D

 

[Triggaaar]

immigrants come "here" because its better than "there", "they" are a f***ing sight better off because "they" are "here", if they disagree, why not f*** off to a country more suited to a lifestyle that suits them instead of trying to change things in a country that doesnt

It sounds like you are unhappy 'here'. Perhaps you should go to a country more suited to a lifestyle that suits you.

Why the f*** should i ??

You certainly don't have to, but if you don't like it here why don't you find somewhere you like more? That's what your suggesting others do, why doesn't it apply to you?

i and many others say the multi cultural model is being forced down our throats , not in hove though eh ?

Fair enough, but many, many others disagree with you. Many of us, given the choice, would choose to live in a multicultural country/city. What do you mean not in Hove? I went to college in Hove 25 years ago and only a third of the students (in that particular college) were British, and it's got more multicultural since then.

 

[daveinprague]

Why the f*** should i ?? i and many others say the multi cultural model is being forced down our throats , not in hove though eh ?

or Brighton, or Southampton, or Plymouth, or Eastbourne, or Hastings, or Chichester, or thousands of other towns and cities across Britain.


but im stil not clear on how controlling a couple of Afghanistans many provinces stops Pakistan falling under the Taliban fold (despite the fact that Pakistans intelligence service supports them)? Most of Afghanistan is under Taliban control. We have limited control over the provences that we 'control'... kandahar and Helmand.. in the north of Helmand a bunch of civilians were recently killed and the local governor stated that he didnt have all the details as the area was Taliban controlled......so even in the areas we 'control' ...the Taliban are in charge.

 

[User removed 4]

You certainly don't have to, but if you don't like it here why don't you find somewhere you like more? That's what your suggesting others do, why doesn't it apply to you?

Fair enough, but many, many others disagree with you. Many of us, given the choice, would choose to live in a multicultural country/city. What do you mean not in Hove? I went to college in Hove 25 years ago and only a third of the students (in that particular college) were British, and it's got more multicultural since then.

If you would class hove as multicultural then you've led a pretty sheltered life , and if as you state that " Many of us, given the choice, would choose to live in a multicultural country/city " , why dont you then ? i and many others who object to a multicultural society ( most of them , white working clas who actually have to live with the consequences) were never ever asked if we wanted it .

 

[User removed 4]

or Brighton, or Southampton, or Plymouth, or Eastbourne, or Hastings, or Chichester, or thousands of other towns and cities across Britain.

what exactly are you trying to prove with that post ? I can list countless areas where people DO have to live with the consequences .

 

[Nibble]

I like multiculturism. I especially like that it gets Bushy so unbelievably irate.

 

[dingodan]

There is some truth to the argument that our form of "multiculturalism" has been poorly thought out and very poorly executed.

There are serious moral questions to be asked, on both sides of the debate, when it comes to immigration policy.

For political reasons, because some technocrat somewhere wanted us to see ourselves as European and not British (New World Order), they opened the boarders and let everyone in.

That was dangerous and irresponsible.

Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser - Telegraph

"Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed."

 

[daveinprague]

what exactly are you trying to prove with that post ? I can list countless areas where people DO have to live with the consequences .

the point im telling you, is that the vast majority of the countries 'ethnic' population amounts to Asian restaurants. In areas where there are 'consequences' the vast majority of the populations 'there' will be ethnic, and not angry British males.

Back to Afghanistan...your idea that we need to stop Pakistan falling into the Taliban sphere is clearly bollocks, seeing as they created the bloody taliban, so what reason is there for us to be there again?

 

[Triggaaar]

If you would class hove as multicultural then you've led a pretty sheltered life

So what percentage of people need to originate from outside Britain for you to class the area as multicultural? And what percentage of people in the centre of Hove originate from outside Britain?

and if as you state that " Many of us, given the choice, would choose to live in a multicultural country/city " , why dont you then ? i and many others who object to a multicultural society ( most of them , white working clas who actually have to live with the consequences) were never ever asked if we wanted it .

So you're saying I don't live in a multicultural country or city, but you do?

And you're saying you weren't asked if you wanted it - firstly, you do get to say what you want by voting for a party that shares the same views as you. Secondly, this country started becoming multicultural before you were born, so it would have been difficult to ask you then.

 

[BadFish]

So what percentage of people need to originate from outside Britain for you to class the area as multicultural? And what percentage of people in the centre of Hove originate from outside Britain?
So you're saying I don't live in a multicultural country or city, but you do?

And you're saying you weren't asked if you wanted it - firstly, you do get to say what you want by voting for a party that shares the same views as you. Secondly, this country started becoming multicultural before you were born, so it would have been difficult to ask you then.

It only counts as multicultural if the immigrants have trouble integrating with the angry racist English locals.

 

[Twizzle]

you really really didnt , and try not to get personal , calling me names , its not very clever , and not very brave from behind a keyboard either.

You got caught out by your own insistence on quotes and can't admit that. As daveinprague suggests you don't mind throwing the verbage about and attempting to belittle for the sake of your own singularly stubborn pov even when it's proved wrong (and don't bother with any attempt at an 'ironclad' "no it isn't" because that's more refusal to recognize truth).
Since you aren't in the same room as me, i'll use a keyboard, ...or in this case a mobile, just like you.
I won't point any more out to a pointless pillock though, you ain't worth the time and you have nothing to say of worth I'm afraid.

 

[daveinprague]

The Soviet empire was brought to it's knees for economic reasons. They over stretched themselves, They tried to invade and conquer Afghanistan, and they failed and went broke.

QUOTE]

I disagree with this. They didnt invade. They fought alongside the Afghan army against what we now know as the Taliban, and were invited by the incumbant president of Afghanistan at the time, Najibullah...they had the more glamourous name of Mujihadeen before...certainly didnt help their economy, but I think the Russians attempt to keep up militarily with the USA was the economic collapse reason.

 

[Nibble]

Why the f*** should i ?? i and many others say the multi cultural model is being forced down our throats , not in hove though eh ?

I think what you mean to say is that in your part of the country multiculturism hasn't worked and that in Hove, multiculturism has worked. It is probably a hard concept to get your head around given your political leanings but there it is.

 

[dingodan]

I disagree with this. They didnt invade. They fought alongside the Afghan army against what we now know as the Taliban, and were invited by the incumbant president of Afghanistan at the time, Najibullah...they had the more glamourous name of Mujihadeen before...

Brilliant.

Yes, that is right, just like we are there today with the blessing of the Karzai government.

The Soviets said they were there at the request of the Amin government. Until they shot him in 1979 and replaced him with Babrak Kamal.

If you are trying to argue that a) The Soviets did not invade Afghanistan, and b) The Taliban are just terrorists who fought against, and are fighting against, the legitimate state authority of the country, then a) you don't understand history, and b) you don't understand the politics of the region.

 

[Nibble]

It is not just the UK where people feel threatened by multiculturalism - it happens all over the world when local people see new insular communities emerge without assimilating - people naturally feel invaded.

Brighton is a good example of how multiculturalism should be. People from all over the world assimilating into British life, without any social segregation or resentment. But more importantly there are no places in Brighton and Hove where British people feel like they are an ethnic minority.

However unfortunately in much of the UK this is not the case - there are places where British people do feel like an ethnic minority, or due to poor immigration, they are becoming the minority. When this happens, the immigrants do not need to assimilate into British culture, as the culture they are used to already exists here in Britain. When this happens, the British people who live in these areas feel extremely threatened and invaded, it will eventually drive them to racism. Ultimately it will lead to an "us vs them" attitude from both sides and this is where multiculturalism has failed.

The government should be doing its utmost to ensure that insular ethnic communities do not emerge in the UK. If it is to insist on immigration it should also ensure that all immigrants assimilate and become part of British communities instead of making their own ones.

That entirely depends on whether one objects to ethnic minorities having their own communities, I for one do not. In my opinion it's not these communities that cause the strife, it's people's lack of understanding from both groups that causes it.

 

[User removed 4]

So what percentage of people need to originate from outside Britain for you to class the area as multicultural? And what percentage of people in the centre of Hove originate from outside Britain?
So you're saying I don't live in a multicultural country or city, but you do?

And you're saying you weren't asked if you wanted it - firstly, you do get to say what you want by voting for a party that shares the same views as you. Secondly, this country started becoming multicultural before you were born, so it would have been difficult to ask you then.

I am definitely saying you dont live in a multicultural place, neither do i now i made the choice to leave , unfortunately many dont have that choice , and people like you, from hove telling them how they'd move to a multicultural city or country IF they had the choice , when you so clearly DO have the choice, are shown up as lacking conviction , as for voting for a party that espouses my views ? dont make me f***ing laugh, the mere suggestion that immigration needed to be debated was met with howls of racism from the parties and media with an interest in keeping the status quo.

 

[Nibble]

I am definitely saying you dont live in a multicultural place, neither do i now i made the choice to leave , unfortunately many dont have that choice , and people like you, from hove telling them how they'd move to a multicultural city oir country IF they had the choice , when you so clearly DO have the choice

Can you tell me why Hove isn't multicultural please?

 

[daveinprague]

I agree there are 'places', but that doesnt mean multi culturalism has failed... multi culturalism is the new name for bringing in immigrants to do the shit jobs nobody wanted to do? Ive seen and heard of EDL scare stories about 'no go' areas....strangely, these 'no go' areas are places ive lived in, or adjacent to, and ive never felt threatened, or intimidated, and certainly havnt experienced any 'no go' areas.

 

[daveinprague]

DingoDan, but didnt the Afghan army fight alongside the Russian army? Did the Americans invade Vietnam?