Afghanistan,whats the point ?

[User removed 4]

You got caught out by your own insistence on quotes and can't admit that. As daveinprague suggests you don't mind throwing the verbage about and attempting to belittle for the sake of your own singularly stubborn pov even when it's proved wrong (and don't bother with any attempt at an 'ironclad' "no it isn't" because that's more refusal to recognize truth).
Since you aren't in the same room as me, i'll use a keyboard, ...or in this case a mobile, just like you.
I won't point any more out to a pointless pillock though, you ain't worth the time and you have nothing to say of worth I'm afraid.

I can always meet you at a home match if you'd rather use those names to my face ?

 

[daveinprague]

 

[Nibble]

Oh dear. Anyway, no we should come back from Afghanistan, there's too many people dying on all sides.

 

[User removed 4]

I think what you mean to say is that in your part of the country multiculturism hasn't worked and that in Hove, multiculturism has worked. It is probably a hard concept to get your head around given your political leanings but there it is.

Its not what i mean to say at all, just because you have a few ethnic restaurants and a smattering of people with foreign accents and different coloured skin doesnt make a place multicultural , i'd class places that are f***ing swamped by other "cultures" , dont get this down george street do you ? BBC News - Cane rat meat in Ridley Road Market

 

[User removed 4]

It is not just the UK where people feel threatened by multiculturalism - it happens all over the world when local people see new insular communities emerge without assimilating - people naturally feel invaded.

Brighton is a good example of how multiculturalism should be. People from all over the world assimilating into British life, without any racial segregation or subsequent resentment. But more importantly there are no places in Brighton and Hove where British people feel like they are an ethnic minority.

However unfortunately in much of the UK this is not the case - there are places where British people do feel like an ethnic minority, due to poor immigration, they are becoming the minority. When this happens, the immigrants do not need to assimilate into British culture, as the culture they are used to already exists here in Britain. The British people who live in these areas feel extremely threatened and invaded, it will eventually drive them to racism. Ultimately it will lead to an "us vs them" attitude from both sides and this is where multiculturalism has failed.

The government should be doing its utmost to ensure that insular ethnic communities do not emerge in the UK. If it is to insist on immigration it should also ensure that all immigrants assimilate and become part of British communities instead of making their own ones.

excellent post.

 

[dingodan]

DingoDan, but didnt the Afghan army fight alongside the Russian army?

Yes, but many of the Russian army had deserted to the Mujahdeen. This is the whole reason that the Afghan government could only maintain it's power with the "help" of 80,000+ Russian soldiers. And even they were defeated.

Much like today, if the invading armies left, their puppet governments would fall, as they do not have popular support.

 

[User removed 4]

Can you tell me why Hove isn't multicultural please?

when you have shit like this happening in hove then come back and tell me of the joys of multi "culturalism"

BBC News - Cane rat meat in Ridley Road Market

 

[daveinprague]

'Much like today, if the invading armies left, their puppet governments would fall, as they do not have popular support'

I agree. When the NATO forces leave, the Taliban will win the civil war against Kharzai's government.

 

[User removed 4]

'Much like today, if the invading armies left, their puppet governments would fall, as they do not have popular support'

I agree. When the NATO forces leave, the Taliban will win the civil war against Kharzai's government.

is that just the afghan taliban ,or are the thousands of foreigners from all over the muslim world included as well ?

 

[Nibble]

Could it be, Bushy that you moved to your part of the country and seeing people that you believe are entitled to less, should have less rights and that you believe are beneath you enjoying the same priveliges you do, you have become bitter and somewhat disenfranchised?

 

[Triggaaar]

I am definitely saying you dont live in a multicultural place, neither do i

You didn't answer my question. What percentage of people that originate from outside Britain need to live in a place to make you consider it multicultural?

people like you, from hove telling them how they'd move to a multicultural city or country IF they had the choice , when you so clearly DO have the choice, are shown up as lacking conviction

I'll respond to that when you explain what you think multicultural is.

as for voting for a party that espouses my views ? dont make me f***ing laugh, the mere suggestion that immigration needed to be debated was met with howls of racism from the parties and media with an interest in keeping the status quo.

The main parties, that are supported by people that like multiculturalism, didn't want the debate that you wanted. But there are parties that agree with you. Vote for them. That's your say. And if as many people as you suggest felt the same, a party that shares your beliefs would get in power.

 

[daveinprague]

is that just the afghan taliban ,or are the thousands of foreigners from all over the muslim world included as well ?

Bit like the British soldiers taking leave, and going to fight Serbs during the Balkan war I guess..
I seem to remember a news report about them, and one of them being interviewed saying, he hoped his
mother didnt see the report, as she thought he was in Paris Disney world.
There was also that ex soldier from Brighton, who I saw at Brighton station wearing combats, and Croat insigna.

I still dont know, why we are still in this hell hole of Afghanistan. There seems no credible reason, other than making sure the gas pipeline is secure when it is finally built...if its ever built.

and if there are 'thousands of foreigners' from all over the muslim world, then NATO troops are
not being particularly effective in stabilizing the region, so bring them home.

 

[Twizzle]

I can always meet you at a home match if you'd rather use those names to my face ?

I'll go one beter than that sunbeam, since you perceive you might be an intimidating chap - I have a rather 'cultural' mate who you can tell you do not appreciate, to his face. Get to the roots of your argument, and your problems with multiculturalism, like you have on here.
He's got Chelsea tats, which show how well he's settled in.
He just said he thinks you are "the C word".
Where & which match?

It doesn't matter that he is even bigger than I am & tosses other big geezers like salad, the point is he's part of our multi culture and doesn't like you back.

 

[BadFish]

[MENTION=11956]bushy[/MENTION] [MENTION=17131]Twizzle[/MENTION]

Settle down fellas, there really isn't any need to bring the Afghan war back to blighty.

 

[User removed 4]

I'll go one beter than that sunbeam, since you perceive you might be an intimidating chap - I have a rather 'cultural' mate who you can tell you do not appreciate, to his face. Get to the roots of your argument, and your problems with multiculturalism, like you have on here.
He's got Chelsea tats, which show how well he's settled in.
He just said he thinks you are "the C word".
Where & which match?

wherever you want "sunbeam " , just say when, and if your big tough mate has got chelsea tats he's hardly the most multicultural of people is he ?

 

[Twizzle]

wherever you want "sunbeam " , just say when, and if your big tough mate has got chelsea tats he's hardly the most multicultural of people is he ?

He feels part of our society - unlike you apparently.

 

[User removed 4]

He feels part of our society - unlike you apparently.

good , with chelsea tattoos he's not who i'm talking about though is it ?

 

[hitony]

Guys I am handing out infractions like f***ing free money here!!! now stop this crap or i will close this thread!!!

UP TO YOU!!!!

 

[daveinprague]

Did I win any yet?



Anyway, thousands.....THOUSANDS.... of muslims fought and died for Britain... and people from around the globe came to our assistance....I dont begrudge them a place to live somewhere they helped to defend.

 

[Triggaaar]

if your big tough mate has got chelsea tats he's hardly the most multicultural of people is he ?

No idea, still waiting for you to explain to the world what is and what isn't multicultural. What is your definition of a multicultural person, town, country?