Afghanistan,whats the point ?

[BadFish]

I take it this is another 'Arm Chair General' asking the question??

Having been there and done it, aswell as having a couple of tour t-shirts... then yes there is a massive point to being there. First and most important - If we stopped the fight over in Afghan, then do you not think they would have the time to re-build and then head to the UK, Europe, US??
If he history has tought this country a very important lesson it is - not to wait for the war to come to our front door before we do anything about it

Second - On winning the 'fire fight' and over running an enemy position I have viewed for my very own eyes the bodies of the 'enemy', one lad (no older than 21) with half his clothes blown away from a grenade blast had an Arsenal tatoo on his lower leg. On another occasion after finding 'Taliban' radios we listerned in to hear 2 guys talking to each other in 'Brummie accsents'. The very people of our own sociaty are going back 'Home' to fight their war, which is surely better than them being here and picking on un-armed civis.

Do not think what the Brave guys and girls are doing over there is not important or doesnt have a point. The british media ..... (which lets face it is the only way most back home hear about what goes on over there) are very clever and are also under strict rules about what they can and cant say over there. Not is all as it seems!

So you are suggesting that the Taliban have plans to bring war to the UK?

Why Afghanistan? Are their more extremist groups in Afghanistan than anywhere else in the world? Why aren't we fighting wars all over the Middle East and North Africa as these seem to be the hot bed of anti western feeling. Surely if 7/7 taught us anything it is that we should be more worried about our homegrown extremists?

and IMHO us fighting wars in foreign countries is causing more anti-western feeling, causing more people to back their cause and putting us in morre danger than if we just kept out noses out. Why don't we?

Oil

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Be worried if Romney wins the election.

Fortunately, following his recent gaffes, there's about zero chance of that happening. He's toast

 

[Twizzle]

So you are suggesting that the Taliban have plans to bring war to the UK?

Why Afghanistan? Are their more extremist groups in Afghanistan than anywhere else in the world? Why aren't we fighting wars all over the Middle East and North Africa as these seem to be the hot bed of anti western feeling. Surely if 7/7 taught us anything it is that we should be more worried about our homegrown extremists?

and IMHO us fighting wars in foreign countries is causing more anti-western feeling, causing more people to back their cause and putting us in morre danger than if we just kept out noses out. Why don't we?

Oil

I'm with you here.
It's not a little SUSPECT that the 'Brightonpara' turns up on this thread with 4 posts to his name with some 'thin' statements.
I smell propaganda in this thread altogether, and we are supposed to believe it.

 

[daveinprague]

The 'story' about the brummies is a widely known 'story', so we have a celebrity paratrooper who ACTUALLY heard it...
Sorry, im not a believer of this 'story'

 

[Falkor]

The Nato forces are now not going on Joint operations with the Afghan forces

 

[Lord Bracknell]

If he history has tought this country a very important lesson it is - not to wait for the war to come to our front door before we do anything about it

If history has taught us anything, it is that a war in Afghanistan is always unwinnable.

 

[Twizzle]

The 'story' about the brummies is a widely known 'story', so we have a celebrity paratrooper who ACTUALLY heard it...
Sorry, im not a believer of this 'story'

Ok I think this has now been exposed as a sham, so how about the agenda behind it?
NSC is a renowned chat site. Are we being selected for promoting warmonger propaganda?
Is this a political go at influencing public opinion?
It could be interesting to cut and paste to google search where else this is being promoted.
Am I getting as paranoid as a 'brunswick'?

 

[User removed 4]

If history has taught us anything, it is that a war in Afghanistan is always unwinnable.

You obviously dont know the history of Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan, still, I suppose its a good cliche to throw about.

 

[User removed 4]

There are entire provinces controlled by the taliban in Afghanistan. The recent attacks on the airbase in Helmond, and the massacre of civilians in Northern Helmond this week, where the governor admits, he doesnt know the details as the area is controlled by the taliban, shows that we dont have control, even of the areas where we control, so we are not going to win any long term victory, so rather than lose our men and women for something we will walk away from eventually, bring them home, to protect our shores. it really isnt worth another lost life.
The Russians were fighting the same people with a much bigger army, and less stringent about geneva conventions etc, and they didnt get anywhere after they 'Invaded', although its always puzzled me how it was an invasion when invited by the president Najibullah to come and help defend the country against the taliban, and the Russians fought with the Afghan army, so the invasion bollocks set us up from the beginning.

The taliban with brummie accents story has been around for a while, and if these cases of British muslims fighting in Aghanistan are true, that sort of suggests to me they are fighting what they believe is an invasion on a muslim country, otherwise, they would be in England causing mayhem surely?

When I saw Croat christian villages that had been decimated by Bosnian Muslims I didnt by extension see it as an attack on me and immediately rush over there to sign up for a croatian militia, why then , do you feel it is acceptable for british muslims to do so in afghanistan ?

 

[Twizzle]

You obviously dont know the history of Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan, still, I suppose its a good cliche to throw about.

I suppose bloody tyrant kill-em-all methods might 'win', but the idea of erasing peoples to convincingly force the world to see things one
way is not allowed nowadays.
Not to overlook the fact it was a failure in Vietnam, and this one is another example of fighting against former allies that were once armed with US weapons and training.

 

[User removed 4]

I suppose bloody tyrant kill-em-all methods might 'win', but the idea of erasing peoples to convincingly force the world to see things one way is not allowed nowadays.

He quoted "history", he was wrong, a bit late for a goalpost move dont you think ?

 

[daveinprague]

RAF surveillance planes hear Taliban fighters talking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents | Mail Online


Must be quite common, what with the RAF and the Paratroopers hearing it.

If there are young British muslims who feel moved to fight against what they perceive as an attack on a muslim country, then im fine with them going to Afghanistan to do it, rather than here, after all, thats the fear we are supposed to be up against isnt it?

Bosnia, was a place where Serbs slaughtered Croats, and Muslims...Muslims slaughtered Croats, and Serbs, Croats, slaughtered Muslims and Serbs. It was a civil war, and not an invasion and occupation by an outside coungtry, so I dont think your definition counts Bushy. There will be a civil war in Afghanistan when we leave, and the Taliban will win.


If young British muslims are going there to fight there, that sort of puts the, they will come to UK to fight, out in the cold. I thought we were in Afghanistan stopping them from coming here?

 

[Twizzle]

He quoted "history", he was wrong, a bit late for a goalpost move dont you think ?

He quoted "history" as in modern history, so i'd suggest the "goalposts" have moved somewhat since Ghengis Khan.

 

[User removed 4]

He quoted modern history, so i'd suggest the "goalposts" have moved somewhat since Ghengis Khan.

Sorry, can you show me where exactly the word "modern" is in his post ? I seem to have missed it.

 

[User removed 4]

I suppose bloody tyrant kill-em-all methods might 'win', but the idea of erasing peoples to convincingly force the world to see things one
way is not allowed nowadays.
Not to overlook the fact it was a failure in Vietnam, and this one is another example of fighting against former allies that were once armed with US weapons and training.

Are you seriously trying to compare Alexander the Great, and Genghis Khan's conquest of Afghanistan , to the Vietnam War , really ?

 

[User removed 4]

RAF surveillance planes hear Taliban fighters talking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents | Mail Online


Must be quite common, what with the RAF and the Paratroopers hearing it.

If there are young British muslims who feel moved to fight against what they perceive as an attack on a muslim country, then im fine with them going to Afghanistan to do it, rather than here, after all, thats the fear we are supposed to be up against isnt it?

Bosnia, was a place where Serbs slaughtered Croats, and Muslims...Muslims slaughtered Croats, and Serbs, Croats, slaughtered Muslims and Serbs. It was a civil war, so I dont think your definition counts Bushy. There will be a civil war in Afghanistan when we leave, and the Taliban will win.


If young British muslims are going there to fight there, that sort of puts the, they will come to UK to fight, out in the cold. I thought we were in Afghanistan stopping them from coming here?

Ok then , let's use another one, coptic christians are being attacked in egypt, christians recently attacked in pakistan over this koran burning scandal, there are also regular skirmishes between muslims and christians in indonesia and the philippines , yet after reading about all of these , at no time did i feel a need to go and take up arms on behalf of my fellow christians, so again, i ask, why do you feel it is acceptable for "british" muslims to do so in afghanistan ?

 

[User removed 4]

RAF surveillance planes hear Taliban fighters talking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents | Mail Online


Must be quite common, what with the RAF and the Paratroopers hearing it.If there are young British muslims who feel moved to fight against what they perceive as an attack on a muslim country, then im fine with them going to Afghanistan to do it, rather than here, after all, thats the fear we are supposed to be up against isnt it?

Bosnia, was a place where Serbs slaughtered Croats, and Muslims...Muslims slaughtered Croats, and Serbs, Croats, slaughtered Muslims and Serbs. It was a civil war, and not an invasion and occupation by an outside coungtry, so I dont think your definition counts Bushy. There will be a civil war in Afghanistan when we leave, and the Taliban will win.


If young British muslims are going there to fight there, that sort of puts the, they will come to UK to fight, out in the cold. I thought we were in Afghanistan stopping them from coming here?

i dont doubt its far more common than you'd have us believe.

here are some links to sources that are more acceptable than the mail to certain types of posters on here

Exclusive: Army is fighting British jihadists in Afghanistan - Asia - World - The Independent
Taliban fighter found with Aston Villa tattoo - Telegraph
‘British Taliban’ capture in Helmand is a first | News | The Week UK
Taliban commander vows to avenge Bin Laden's death | World news | The Guardian

 

[daveinprague]

I'd have you believe?.... Well, if they are going to fight out in Afghanistan isnt that better than fighting in the UK, you know, that big fear that we are going to be attacked by the Taliban?

Bushy, Im not particularly religious, and I dont believe you are to that extent. However, what is clear, is that muslims take their religion a lot more seriously than we take ours, and usually, the people being driven by fundamentalist clerics are the poorest of the poor, and people who due to their location and situation, are not the most educated, except for the Quran, and therefore, easy to manipulate.

The west manipulated the Russian entry into Afghanistan, at the behest of the president, into an 'Invasion', and a lot of 'educated' people fell for that bullshit.


and now an 'Aston villa' tattoo....these taliban are premier league fanatics arent they.
Im sure there are British muslims in Afghanistan Bushy, and that doesnt worry me in the slightest.
I also think that some afghans when learning English will pick up the accents from the people they
learn, so i would wager there are Afghans with both British and American accents.

 

[User removed 4]

I'd have you believe?.... Well, if they are going to fight out in Afghanistan isnt that better than fighting in the UK, you know, that big fear that we are going to be attacked by the Taliban?

Bushy, Im not particularly religious, and I dont believe you are to that extent. However, what is clear, is that muslims take their religion a lot more seriously than we take ours, and usually, the people being driven by fundamentalist clerics are the poorest of the poor, and people who due to their location and situation, are not the most educated, except for the Quran, and therefore, easy to manipulate.

The west manipulated the Russian entry into Afghanistan, at the behest of the president, into an 'Invasion', and a lot of 'educated' people fell for that bullshit.


and now an 'Aston villa' tattoo....these taliban are premier league fanatics arent they.

in bradford or tipton ? do me a favour, and of course it not "ok" that they are going out to afghanistan to fight what fools like you would still persist as classing as their "fellow countrymen "

 

[Twizzle]

Sorry, can you show me where exactly the word "modern" is in his post ? I seem to have missed it.

You want to be cleverclever?
Tell me what AFGHANISTAN was f***ing called when Ghengis Khan was about.
He did say "Afghanistan", so would you like to try this one for ten, genius?