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I think the point is our tactics are different. Last season, despite Baldock playing a bit deeper than Murray, we effectively played 4-4-2. This season, with Gross or Brown in that role, it sounds like we plan to play 4-4-1-1. It is a different system so we are not looking for a direct Baldock...

I completely agree. It was frightening how quickly the Leicester players closed us down in the first thirty minutes especially (see I can agree with you). I think it will be a mix. Some teams will be happy to sit back and catch us on the break but of course if they see us struggle in midfield...

Why exactly did you start a new thread as compared to adding to the numerous threads on this subject. It is hard to argue with any of your logic, by the way, but I don't think there is anything that hasn't been said a million times before on here.

I'm really struggling to see what is so hard to work out. I have not actually put a pro Albion position here or on other threads. All I've said is to wait and see before judging that players are not going to work in certain position (and clearly he is different to Baldock, who is a striker while...

So you think two games is fair to judge players? I really don't see your point. I accept fully that people are entitled to their own opinion but when it is based on just two games, I don't see it as valid. I also don't have a valid opinion yet on any of our new signings but want to give them all...

What about Stockdale then and the people who set upon within a few games. What actually happens is sadly some fans regularly write off players after one or two early mistakes and then, if the player turns out to be a poor signing, they gloat about it. If, on the other hand, the players turns out...

Absolutely. The irony to me is that the people saying it are probably the same ones who would be saying we've only beaten Palace and Newcastle if we'd done it.

In fairness, all except Manu were by a different recruitment team under David Burke. Nobody would argue they were flawless. Agree re Manu and nobody is saying they are flawless. What people are trying to say is give the new signings a chance and don't think you can judge them better after two...

He did but it doesn't make it any more true. Stockdale had the same problem as Ryan seems to be getting. Every goal that could possibly be blamed on him, was blamed on him (e.g. I really don't see how Ryan could do anything about Leicester's second goal on Saturday and if it had been a different...

All down to opinions. Stephens gave the ball away more in my opinion and offered less going forward. Not even the point to be honest as I am not criticising Stephens, who also has to get used to the step up in quality. Agree re Murphy. Can't believe he lasted the full 90 minutes to be honest.

People were the same with Stockdale and now they say Stockdale improved. What actually happened was he was nowhere near as bad as people thought he was at the time but they can't admit to being wrong. Now the same people who slagged off Stockdale in his first season are saying we should never...

It's not the difference of opinion that bothers me. Clearly we will all have that. It was more the arrogance of the post I quoted e.g. 'my eyes told me yesterday they may be clutching at straws'. Or maybe he just needs time to adapt to the English rather than supporters slagging him off after...

If you think that Murphy wasn't in our weakest four players on Saturday, then you clearly weren't watching the game and your opinion is invaild. On top of that, Propper was better than Stephens. As for you hoping they will be good enough, the fact that you've started this thread with that...

I sometimes find it hard to believe some of our fans. So you trust your own opinion based on one game more than the club's professional scouts and recruitment team who have no doubt seen him much more than you.

Fair enough. Don't remember hearing about that at the time.

So Dunk for El Abd and CMS for Hoskins I am certain of. Did Navarro and/or Dicker start in midfield?

Always felt Hoskins could have been a very good player for us if it wasn't for his injuries. One example where we were genuinely unlucky as I don't think he had been injury prone before signing for us. Agree re scorers. Think Barnes' second was a penalty. Remember it as one of our best...

Think CMS started and Hoskins came off the bench. And El Abd was injured early part of that season (Dunk played instead). Other than that looks right to me.

That is completely irrelevant. Players with good pedigree in other leagues have failed in the Premier League. Whatever pedigree Ryan has, to suggest he looks a dud after one league game is ridiculous. And there is no suggestion he was poor at Valencia, more that he never really was given a...

It is a friendly (not a competitive match) and even if it does, writing a player off after two matches is ridiculous. And, to be honest, I am not even sure the Dunk own goal was a mistake (as happened with Stockdale, people choose to define mistakes how they like to suit their agenda). As for...