No. As far as loser-friendly conspiracy theories go, that's up there with Trump's claim to have won the 2020 election. Remain lost because more people voted for Leave - it's that simple, really.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Yes, more people voted for leave.
But how is that proof that Russia did not make payments to people or do anything online to increase the chance?
When someone puts forward a conspiracy theory, the onus is on them to prove it. Unless or until they do, it remains no more than a conspiracy theory. Which is piss all, really.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Do you think the same about the theory that Putin has Kompromat on Trump? Is that a conspiracy theory with piss all evidence?
I've absolutely no idea. I agree it's a conspiracy theory. That do?
Anyway, this current backwater on this excellent thread about the war in Ukraine was started by someone trying to bring Brexit into it, which is entirely inappropriate, so I'm out.
I disagree.
Does Putin/Russia have anything to gain from breaking up the EU?
Yes.
Given that they have something to gain, would they do anything to aid the break up if they could?
Yes.
I'd say it's more of a conspiracy theory to suggest they didn't try to aid it. Just as it would be weird if Russia weren't trying to help Trump get elected. Or do you really want us to believe that Russia don't have spies and don't post propaganda online via shills?
Shropshire Seagull
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Now hold on old chap ...
I only mentioned Brexit as a comparison to the current Moldova voting that is alleged to have Russian shenanigans seeking to gain them some perceived long term advantage, and merely posed the question, could something similar have happened here.
Not sure if I should be offended at being called a "conspiricy theorist with piss all evidence", but I care not, was just putting it out there as a thought.
I too, have no wish to derail this brilliant thread, so happy to leave it there ....
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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Good. Bye
Because if you can’t see a link then that is very naive. And the sort of attitude that Putin et al have been trying to generate across the EU.
The goblin was punching the air and dancing down the corridors of the Kremlin when he heard the Brexit result.
Money well spent via the RT budget paying "appearance money" to a couple of the usual suspects - and no doubt many other payments to other means of spreading misinformation.
The Kremlin excels at hybrid information warfare - as seen in Moldova and Georgia. Kremlin information warfare engendered just enough anti-NATO sentiment in Finland and Sweden to keep them out of NATO. Oh well, they've blown that now.
It is fair to say that the Kremlin's information warfare results are a better return on its money than its military warfare results.
The Kremlin can go again and again in Moldova, Georgia, the US, France, Germany etc. etc. using information warfare without the military cost it has suffered in Ukraine.
It would have been better trying to fix the Ukrainian elections rather than invading Ukraine in 2022.
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. Now we can see the size of these things.
Everytime another Russian is whacked using this method, it puts me in mind of that scene from Bowie’s ‘The Man Who Fell To Earth’.
I wonder how many times this Oligarch bounced off the window before he finally smashed through it to his death? It seems to be the favourite Putin dispatch method alongside shooting down planes and radioactive poisoning.
I know this is political economics, but the motley collection of countries, many harbouring tensions and grudges with one another, is quite interesting. There are now so many countries I won't ever be spending holidays in!
BBC News - Putin gathers allies to show West's pressure isn’t working
BBC News - Putin gathers allies to show West's pressure isn’t working
Vladimir Putin hosts Brics summit to show West pressure not working
Russian President Vladimir Putin is welcoming more than 20 world leaders to the Brics summit.
www.bbc.com
nevergoagain
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Agreed a lot more countries there than I would have expected. Some are obviously playing both sides which shouldn't go unnoticed. I can't imagine anyone putting sanctions on India though might make them stop and think.I know this is political economics, but the motley collection of countries, many harbouring tensions and grudges with one another, is quite interesting. There are now so many countries I won't ever be spending holidays in!
BBC News - Putin gathers allies to show West's pressure isn’t working
Vladimir Putin hosts Brics summit to show West pressure not working
Russian President Vladimir Putin is welcoming more than 20 world leaders to the Brics summit.www.bbc.com
The partisans work very precisely
I hope the hammer wasn't damaged in the process.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The partisans work very precisely
Even if, in the unlikely event that Russia wins the war, its war veterans, politicians and propagandists will still face a deeply uncertain future.
The memory of the partisans is long, and their reach is far.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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Where did arun banks get the £7M from, and why did he repeatedly refuse to say where he got it from? Not proof I know, but the liklihood of probabilities would suggest.......
Johnny RoastBeef
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- Jan 11, 2016
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It's all very innocent, definitely nothing suspicious regarding his Russian wife, her family or his admiration for Adolf Putin.
Yes, let's hope the hammer has many more projects planned
I am amazed that none have been arrested and trialled these two years. Not for:
- Petrol bombs
- drive by shooting
- internal drone activities
- hammerfest
- target identification.....
I guess it's possible they have but Russia won't publicize it. Never seen any news myself.