[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

The law of unintended consequences.

Watch Russia downplay North Korean involvement in the war, after it emerges that South Korea are considering getting involved.

I understand they have a lot of shells. A lot. The Miami Herald puts it at 3.4 million - one result of living next door to North Korea for 70 odd years.

But now South Korea MUST provide the shells... else it'll be more weakness (just words of condemnation)from the 'west' .

 

[fly high]

The law of unintended consequences.

Watch Russia downplay North Korean involvement in the war, after it emerges that South Korea are considering getting involved.

I understand they have a lot of shells. A lot. The Miami Herald puts it at 3.4 million - one result of living next door to North Korea for 70 odd years.

Hopefully that is where our recently announced £2.5b will be spent. I'm sure US will be against it as they'd see it as an escalation but we cannot continue to fail to match Putin's actions who seems to be able to buy weapons from whoever he pleases plus import soldiers from anywhere.

 

[Triggaaar]

The sheer, utter, twisted, self-righteousness of Russia.

TLDR: This bloke is Ukrainian, lives in occupied Crimea, and is obliged to hold a Russian passport. He refuses to fight against his own country, so is charged and convicted of treason against Russia. Sentence: 18 years.

He should have agreed to fight, and either shot Russians or defected etc

 

[Eric the meek]

He should have agreed to fight, and either shot Russians or defected etc

He did try to defect. But whatever he had decided, agree to fight, refuse to fight, kill Russians or desert/defect (to unoccupied Ukraine), it would have been a decision that required very careful thought. All of them, including the one he took, desertion, could result in his death.

 

[Eric the meek]

A glimmer of hope from Moscow. Not all Russians are vatniks.

 

[Doug-ees-evil]

A glimmer of hope from Moscow. Not all Russians are vatniks.

An un-brainwashed brain... a very very rare thing over there. People like this bright chap probably represent no more than 2% of the population depressingly.
(that is a total 'finger-in-air' guess of course – based on the 100 odd Russian public interviews I've seen).

 

[Eric the meek]

An un-brainwashed brain... a very very rare thing over there. People like this bright chap probably represent no more than 2% of the population depressingly.
(that is a total 'finger-in-air' guess of course – based on the 100 odd Russian public interviews I've seen).

I understand. Those pubic interviews are as good a source as anything else we have at our disposal.

In the absence of any official data we can trust, 'finger-in-the-air' is all we have left to fall back on.

I have no idea whether 2% is realistic, but the young man in the video seemed erudite, educated and well-informed. Not what you would expect anywhere in Russia, but some must exist, so why not 2%? 1 in 50. If it turns out there are more, then it will be a bonus.

 

[Sirnormangall]

A glimmer of hope from Moscow. Not all Russians are vatniks.

I like this channel - seems to be reasonably balanced in interviewing people with a range of views, including many who are, not surprisingly, guarded with their comments

 

[papachris]

I hope Steve Rosenberg is careful. Asking Putin difficult questions must be risky


BBC News - Vladimir Putin: Watch Steve Rosenberg challenge Russian president over Ukraine war - BBC News

Vladimir Putin: Watch Steve Rosenberg challenge Russian president over Ukraine war

The Russian president gave a news conference after hosting a summit of world leaders in Kazan.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[A1X]

I hope Steve Rosenberg is careful. Asking Putin difficult questions must be risky


BBC News - Vladimir Putin: Watch Steve Rosenberg challenge Russian president over Ukraine war - BBC News

Vladimir Putin: Watch Steve Rosenberg challenge Russian president over Ukraine war

The Russian president gave a news conference after hosting a summit of world leaders in Kazan.

www.bbc.co.uk

People like to attack the BBC but this shows the kudos it has at an international level that even a tyrant like Putin knows he can’t really touch them and their man in Moscow. There’s a reason why those who don’t give a shit about maintaining a pretence of democratic accountability (Iran, North Korea, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe) just banned them and saved themselves the bother.